(03-14-2016, 04:44 PM)Benton Wrote: 1. What says we aren't?
2. What says we should pursue  veteran in place of someone on the roster or a draft pick?

Personally, I've said before I thought if one or both walked that we would sign a veteran and draft someone. I still think that.

(03-14-2016, 06:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I hope eventually people are gong to stop pointing at the Bengals' stupidity and pretend that's just how FA works and it was FA's fault, not the Bengals fault that it happened.

FA didn't tell the Bengals to sign a WR who already had a degenerative knee problem coming off an injury plagued 600 yard season and not have their medical staff do a thorough examination of the guy.

FA didn't tell the Bengals to sign a mediocre #2 31-year-old who was on the decline to a 4 year deal.

Not to mention, the way people keep mentioning those two deals like they put the Bengals back a generation in salary cap space with how tragic they were.
-Laveranues Coles ended up costing the Bengals $7.5m in cap space for the 1 year he played with them. The contract was very backloaded. His base salary in his first year was $1.9m, in the fourth year it was $8.4m.
-Antonio Bryant's was even less painful. On a contract that averaged $7m/yr, when they cut him they only took a cap hit of $5.8m for just the one year. His was also quite backloaded with a $1.55m base salary in the first year and a $6.75m base salary in the 4th year.

They really honestly weren't big losses. Think about it this way. The Bengals took a $7.1m cap hit for Rey Maualuga in 2015 and they're taking a $7.5m cap hit for Dre Kirkpatrick in 2016. Both of those guys suck too. That doesn't mean the Bengals shouldn't ever sign their own or pay their drafted players.



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(03-14-2016, 06:44 PM)The Real Deal Wrote: So do I need a coupon for stouffers meals or what? And if so, is the paper printed yet or not?

(03-14-2016, 06:44 PM)The Real Deal Wrote: So do I need a coupon for stouffers meals or what? And if so, is the paper printed yet or not?

(03-14-2016, 07:10 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I will say that when AJ, MLJ, and Mo entered the league I was adamant about signing a vet WR. Now we have a seasoned vet in AJ. We also have a very talented receiving TE and RB so I have no problem with rounding out the receiving corps with some draft picks UFDAs.

(03-14-2016, 08:19 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Half off on Stouffers "Crow Parmesan" when the Bengals sign some low tier free agent WR.

(03-15-2016, 12:25 AM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Again, they felt we needed a 2nd receiver bad enough that they were willing to assign an 8 mil dollar a year value to the position, with the offer to Marvin Jones.  Now, I'm not asking why they wouldn't invest that exact amount on someone else.  

(03-15-2016, 12:54 AM)Atomic Orange Wrote: It could be as simple as MLJ = more $ through ticket and Jersey sales on top of production. I'm going to guess he also makes a few female fans weak between the knees. 

(03-15-2016, 01:36 AM)BengalChris Wrote: The one thing this team doesn't want is to be strapped with no maneuvering room when it comes to the cap. So they aren't going to spend to the limit and write contracts which put them in cap hell in a year or two.

Zietler, Gio, Eifert and Kirkpatrick are coming up next year, plus our depth on the DL is currently empty since we drafted so many projects in higher rounds (Hunt, Clarke and Still) and it looks like Thompson may leave.

Overpaying for a vet right now doesn't make a lot of sense if it will cut across our ability to sign our own guys in the next year or two. I'm sure this is how the team sees it. We'll have to replace Marvin Jones in the draft and sign an inexpensive vet to replace Sanu.

Besides, just because you can afford something doesn't mean it is wise to buy it. I could buy a new Porsche, but I'm not going to.

(03-15-2016, 01:36 AM)BengalChris Wrote: The one thing this team doesn't want is to be strapped with no maneuvering room when it comes to the cap. So they aren't going to spend to the limit and write contracts which put them in cap hell in a year or two.

Zietler, Gio, Eifert and Kirkpatrick are coming up next year, plus our depth on the DL is currently empty since we drafted so many projects in higher rounds (Hunt, Clarke and Still) and it looks like Thompson may leave.

Overpaying for a vet right now doesn't make a lot of sense if it will cut across our ability to sign our own guys in the next year or two. I'm sure this is how the team sees it. We'll have to replace Marvin Jones in the draft and sign an inexpensive vet to replace Sanu.

Besides, just because you can afford something doesn't mean it is wise to buy it. I could buy a new Porsche, but I'm not going to.

(03-15-2016, 01:19 PM)grampahol Wrote: They were willing to pay MJ because they know what he brings to the table. He knows the playbook and so on.  A high dollar FA not so much.. By many reports MJ was THE premium FA WR on the market and he walked so now many want to pay similar money to someone who isn't as good,  doesn't know the playbook and may very well be washed up..
Of course you can always keep thinking that these guys are all willing to play for vet minimum, but they all have agents who aren't willing to take the hit themselves. It was true in Paul Brown's day and it's still true today that football is and always will be a young man's game.

(03-15-2016, 02:01 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: You mean he used to know the playbook.

He knew Hue Jackson's playbook which they can't continue to use because that would mean that the HC of a division rival would know your offense inside and out.

Can't imagine he knows Ken Zampese's playbook seeing as how they wouldn't give it to a FA. (Assuming Zampese has one already.)

(03-15-2016, 06:21 PM)OrlandoBengal Wrote: I see this mentioned every year in terms of free agency.  "He won't know the playbook" or "he would have to learn the system".  I will readily admit that I have never played in the NFL, but I am willing to bet that the great majority of NFL players can learn a new playbook over the off season.  If not, that guy is borderline mentally challenged and you've done a really bad job of scouting the talent... these guys have been playing football, and learning new playbooks, their entire lives.