(04-27-2016, 03:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: They got so much money because teams don't realize that they were successful because of AJ getting all the attention on the other side.  They were also products of the system.  

Decent receivers are a dime a dozen, and that's what we need.  Even if we took a receiver early, it's still Marvin and still the AFCN, which is a power division, so we're not going to turn into a high-octane offense.  

If anything, we'd take a possession receiver, which the best one is Michael Thomas, and he can even offer more than that.

(04-27-2016, 01:46 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Doctson or Treadwell, it's got to be a day 1 starter on a win now team. And the only way we will get there is if Andy has quality people around him.  I don't think Andy is capable of Making players around him better like Brady, manning, Bree's.

That isn't an insult by any means, but Andy can be a top 5-6 qb win the right people Around him.   Without that same personal around him he is borderline average.

Very similar to a Russell Wilson or Carson Palmer.  You may even be able to lump flacco and Matt Ryan into that conversation.

Very few guys are manning or brady


http://www.cincyjungle.com/2016/4/27/11517862/nfl-trade-rumors-bengals-trying-to-move-up-in-nfl-draft-for-josh

(04-27-2016, 01:57 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Or they helped make him a lot of money?

I am not bashing dalton, I even said that above, but he needs a glutiny of good talent to play at his highest level.  That's all.

Bree's will throw for 5,000 yards regardless, Brady will continue to be elite, manning (pre last 18 months) could make stokely, welker, Dallas Clark, (guy from OSU) double digit td machines.

Unfortunately dalton isn't one of those once in a generation qb.  But he can be an elite qb with the right talent.  


It's not a hard concept

(04-27-2016, 05:28 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Dalton hasn't had a bunch of talent around him his whole career. I think it's hilarious that people try to act like he has. He had poor weapons in 2011 and 2012 he had above average weapons in 2013, he had horrible weapons in 2014 and he had really good weapons in 2015. It's not like he's been playing with all pros around him.

(04-27-2016, 05:28 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Dalton hasn't had a bunch of talent around him his whole career. I think it's hilarious that people try to act like he has. He had poor weapons in 2011 and 2012 he had above average weapons in 2013, he had horrible weapons in 2014 and he had really good weapons in 2015. It's not like he's been playing with all pros around him.

(04-27-2016, 05:23 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: Dalton has made everyone around him look a lot better than what they actually are. I don't know what you're on about. There's a reason why every single OC he's had is now a HC, and players are getting big contracts. Other than Jones and Sanu what offensive skilled player did Dalton have that's a starter on a different team?

(04-27-2016, 05:52 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: If you look at his career stats you are just proving my point

2011 212 ypg for 80 rating
2012 229 ypg for 87 rating
2013 268 ypg for 89 rating
2014 212 ypg for 83 rating
2015 250 ypg for 106 rating

When dalton has good weapons around him, he produces.  When he doesn't he is average.  I have never once said he isn't good.. But his play is a reflection of the players around him

For comparison sake Drew Bree's in the same timeframe has never had lower than a 96 rating and under 309 yards per game.  Without jimmy graham (cooks,sneed, Colston top 3 targets) this last year he averaged 324 yards per game. His second highest ever.  If not for missing a game he would have had another 5,000 yard season

This is the reason I would imagine we should be locked in on a WR

(04-27-2016, 05:54 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: All I am saying is if you look at Andy dalton a career as a whole, he is significantly better when he has a good group of players around him. That's all

(04-27-2016, 05:19 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Well the Bengals obviously don't agree...

(04-27-2016, 04:00 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Nelson's at the top of the depth chart right now, but I don't know how official that is because it sounded like they were big on Shawn Williams, which makes me think that they wouldn't go safety early.

(04-27-2016, 07:34 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Reggie Nelson is gone.

That gives us Iloka, Williams, and Smith.

Just think that Joseph could be a dark horse.

(04-27-2016, 09:09 PM)jeremydc Wrote: Man, Fuller and Coleman scare me. The drops, small(er than average for WR) hands, and inconsistency scares me.

But of the two, Coleman has the higher ceiling. Hawkins 2.0

(04-27-2016, 09:17 PM)bengalsturntup5532 Wrote: I think he'd definitely be better then hawkins,he's bigger and can play the outside,I'd say Steve Smith Jr.you watch Smith highlights you see the same speed,and cutting ability.Smith I think is built a little bigger.