(08-30-2016, 11:54 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Osweiller did with a 7/10 TD/int ratio and starting only a handful of games
Matt Schaub did backing up Vick 


A team will give AJM a large contract especially since they wouldn't have to give up a pick. 

And if Andy goes down for 4-6 weeks (not season ending) id feel a lot better about mccaron going .500 during the stretch.  At least it keeps you in contention. Austin Davis maybe .333 and you are out of it in the blink of an eye.

(08-30-2016, 11:48 AM)leonardfan40 Wrote: We won't be winning any Super Bowls with AJ starting. If Andy goes down the best we can hope for is .500 ball with AJ at this point. Not impossible to replace that with another less talented backup.

(08-30-2016, 11:54 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: Osweiller did with a 7/10 TD/int ratio and starting only a handful of games
Matt Schaub did backing up Vick 


A team will give AJM a large contract especially since they wouldn't have to give up a pick. 

And if Andy goes down for 4-6 weeks (not season ending) id feel a lot better about mccaron going .500 during the stretch.  At least it keeps you in contention. Austin Davis maybe .333 and you are out of it in the blink of an eye.

(08-30-2016, 12:07 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If Dalton is lost for the entire season we won't win the Super Bowl, but many times a starting QB only goes down for a few weeks.  In those cases a good back up QB is crucial to the success of the team.

And it is absolutely falser that all back up QBs are the same.


You are actually contradicting yourself.  On one hand you are claiming that McCarron is good enough for some other team to trade for him or sign him to a big contract, then you claim that he is no better than any other back up in the league.  Both of those statements can't be true.

(08-30-2016, 10:07 AM)Wyche Wrote: McCarron IS leaving if he isn't named the starter by the end of his contract, make no mistake about that.  This is discussion about a contingency plan for when the day arrives.  The OP is right, Austin Davis is a very good backup in his own right, would be perfect for what we will be looking for.

(08-30-2016, 12:12 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Osweiler got paid the year after getting his starts. If he sat on the bench the next two years he would not be getting the contract/opportunity he is now. That's why trading AJ now is the smart move.

And I firmly believe Davis could take this team .500 too, can't compare a QB's record with the Browns to the bengals

(08-30-2016, 12:18 PM)Bengalbug Wrote:
It is too late, no one is trading for a Qb now.  Maybe if one gets hurt and they are hoping he can come in and pickup playbook, but otherwise he is a Bengal this year.

And by the way, osweiller was borderline trash. AJM actually played decent last year and showed again in the preseason.  I'd assume he will get real Snaps in garbage time this year to also keep value up if bengals are smart.  His value won't be going down anytime soon.  And again a 3rd comp pick and 2 years of top end backup Qb is worth more than a 2nd round pick all day everyday and twice on Sunday. 

(08-30-2016, 12:23 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: That is pretty much exactly what I said earlier so glad we're on the same page.

And both QB's were carried by the excellent teams. Mccarron played ok at times and so did Brock. If mccarron doesn't get another 4-6 game stint as a starter in the next 2 years he will not be paid like Brock was, and we will not get a 3rd round comp pick.Plain and simple

(08-30-2016, 12:17 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: And I am not contradicting myself, teams that are desperate for starting QB's overpay all of the time. I'm saying we should stike while the irons hot with AJ. Between his play last year and the salary/years remaining his value is at its peak, and we should capitalize on that. 

Also I never said anything about all backup qb's being the same. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put words in my mouth like that. Ok, thanks!

(08-30-2016, 11:48 AM)leonardfan40 Wrote:  If Andy goes down the best we can hope for is .500 ball with AJ at this point. Not impossible to replace that with another less talented backup. 

(08-30-2016, 12:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is what you said



And you are contradicting yourself.  You claim that Maccarrons play last year makes him a hot commodity, but then you claim we con do no better than .500 with him as a starter.

If he played well enough to be a hpt commodity then why would we do no better than .500 with him starting?  If the Bengals can do just as good with McCarron as any other back up then why would other teams pay more for McCarron than any other back up?

(08-30-2016, 09:41 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I know he is not PS eligible, but I really, really like this kid.  If there was an amazing offer on the table for McCarron, I would only accept it if they signed him first. 

He has had his share of bad fortune but he keeps fighting back.  I thought the kid showed a lot of guts against our D that was KILLING the Browns last year and he would stay in, knowing he was going to get blown up, and deliver a strike down the field.  And they had very few weapons to speak of.

I hope he ends up in a good situation.  If I was SF, I would be all over this kid. 

(08-30-2016, 10:11 AM)XenoMorph Wrote: So you want to give up a QB that knows our system and can step in if something happens..

for someone that doesn't.

Yep that'll be an upgrade.

If we were to trade away that security I needs to be for a decent player not a crap shot in the draft.

(08-30-2016, 10:16 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Against the Bengals he had a around a 72 percent QB rating, 0 TDs, 1 INT and and 1 Fumble, sure the Browns were not good but he was a part of the Browns not being good.  No way would I consider trading AJ and having him as our backup.  If you can;t even stick with the Browns as a QB ... enough said lol

(08-30-2016, 11:42 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: And the bengals will get a 3rd round comp pick...

2 years of great backup and a 3rd comp is worth more than a 2nd in my opinion.  So unless a team is offering a 1st (and maybe more) don't expect him to get moved.  The bengals will squat on him, collect their 3rd and likely start the backup plan next year.

With their window now, it would be idiotic to trade him for a 2nd next yeAr when mccaroon could help this year.  

(08-30-2016, 03:52 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Good point, but I don't know if in fact he would bring a third based on his draft position and playing time.  I know contract $ figure in to it somehow....

But, it is a very valid point to bring up.  I would likely only do it after this season and only if it were a first rounder or a very high second with a sweetener.

(08-30-2016, 04:24 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Teddy bridgwater went down in practice with a non contact knee injury... Doesn't look good.  With how good the Vikings are maybe they look to the bengals to swing a trade?  

Then the bengals can go after a Davis or mettenberger type

(08-30-2016, 05:49 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: I think they feel pretty good about Shawn Hill

(08-30-2016, 05:54 PM)Jpoore Wrote: They have sb aspirations this year they arent going to the playoffs with shaun hill

(08-31-2016, 07:56 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: You're missing the point.  It isn't just this year.  Bridgewater is their long-term solution at QB, so they can't bring in McCarron by offering up their #1 pick because they wouldn't need him beyond this year.  They wouldn't want the cap hit in the future to give McCarron a new contract.  You don't trade #1s for rent-a-players.  You look for a Ryan Fitzpatrick-type and try to catch lightening in a bottle or go with Hill, who is a pretty good option.