(04-03-2021, 03:06 AM)Fichidius Wrote: That was a somewhat interesting read. It's very contrary to popular opinion. 
According to the article every good play Chase had against good teams was the result of illegal pick/rub plays or Jefferson/CEH somehow getting him open. Said watching Chase just made it obvious how much better Jefferson and Clyde Edwards-Helaire are than Chase. Said there wasn't a single play by Chase that made him say "wow".
The article writer also thought he would not be a good athlete (said all of his physical attributes are meh) and that he should skip his pro day because his measurements wouldn't be any good. Has no vertical ability and would be 4.5+ in the 40 yard dash. They were dead on for his 3-cone though saying it would be +-7.00 which is exactly what he ran though. They couldn't have been more wrong about rest with him testing like a 99th percentile athlete. 
Ends the article saying Chase should be a 3rd or 4th round pick at best.

"My one sentence scouting summary – Ja’Marr Chase is not special." - R.C. Fisher (the author of the article)

(04-03-2021, 03:06 AM)Fichidius Wrote: That was a somewhat interesting read. It's very contrary to popular opinion. 
According to the article every good play Chase had against good teams was the result of illegal pick/rub plays or Jefferson/CEH somehow getting him open. Said watching Chase just made it obvious how much better Jefferson and Clyde Edwards-Helaire are than Chase. Said there wasn't a single play by Chase that made him say "wow".
The article writer also thought he would not be a good athlete (said all of his physical attributes are meh) and that he should skip his pro day because his measurements wouldn't be any good. Has no vertical ability and would be 4.5+ in the 40 yard dash. They were dead on for his 3-cone though saying it would be +-7.00 which is exactly what he ran though. They couldn't have been more wrong about rest with him testing like a 99th percentile athlete. 
Ends the article saying Chase should be a 3rd or 4th round pick at best.

"My one sentence scouting summary – Ja’Marr Chase is not special." - R.C. Fisher (the author of the article)

(04-03-2021, 03:29 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: LOL

So basically zero credibility.

(04-03-2021, 03:29 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: LOL

So basically zero credibility.

(04-03-2021, 03:33 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Except, he is right when you watch Chase play Florida, see the video above. 

The point of Chase was supposed to be... he creates separation, Burrow needs WRs that can get open. Dude, he's covered and covered well, in more reps then he is open.

Again, the guy writing it is wrong on the measurables, and he seems salty, but after I read it, I watched the video... and it shows a guy that might be good at the next level, but this isn't some super special, generational, never before seen talent that everyone on here is claiming.

(04-03-2021, 03:39 AM)Fichidius Wrote: I noticed they conveniently left out the game against Clemson because apparently they're not an NFL-like defense.

I actually went back and watched the offensive plays from the Alabama game. They're not wrong that 2 of his big catches came from Diggs falling down. The first one they don't mention how he stops quickly and highpoints the ball to catch it. Diggs is unable to stop and stumbles forward and falls down. The 2nd time is the time when Diggs tried to attack Chase off the line and Chase basically threw him off. Chase throwing him off is what made Diggs fall down.

Not gonna say it was an insane game or anything, but I don't think it was a bad game. There were also a number of routes over the middle where Chase was open but the ball didn't come his way.

(04-03-2021, 03:32 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: It seemed like he was just being salty... but I watched this clip, it's Chase vs Florida. His big play is not really him, as much as a brilliant play design to get him open, using the RB and defender to create space.



I'm not trying to kick a hornets nest or be all negative but, for all the hype about... "Ohhh you gotta get Chase... and he's generational." Against a good defense, he looked like a good WR... but not superman that everyone is hyping him to be. Saw him blanketed on several plays.

I do love his fight after the catch and breaking tackles, that is nice to see. 

But his first touchdown, he's covered, there is no separation from the CB. That is a perfect ball from Burrow for that score. It's around the 50 second mark in the video. And all I hear from people on this board is how we need a WR that can create separation. I saw 2 catches where Chase created separation with great routes and one where the play design created it. Outside of that, I saw a guy covered and making contested catches. 

(04-03-2021, 03:39 AM)Fichidius Wrote: I noticed they conveniently left out the game against Clemson because apparently they're not an NFL-like defense.
I actually went back and watched the offensive plays from the Alabama game. They're not wrong that 2 of his big catches came from Diggs falling down. The first one they don't mention how he stops quickly and highpoints the ball to catch it. Diggs is unable to stop and stumbles forward and falls down. The 2nd time is the time when Diggs tried to attack Chase off the line and Chase basically threw him off. Chase throwing him off is what made Diggs fall down.

Not gonna say it was an insane game or anything, but I don't think it was a bad game. There were also a number of routes over the middle where Chase was open but the ball didn't come his way.

(04-03-2021, 03:43 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I’m sorry but a “3rd or 4th round pick” is an absolutely trash take, and should not be taken seriously by anyone.

If you want to sit here and nitpick the tape and say Chase is overrated, ok fine (i disagree) but some of that stuff is just flat out ridiculous. And every top prospect is at least somewhat overrated if we’re being honest. None of these guys are perfect prospects. Sewell has his own issues (including work ethic and immaturity issues) plus the best competition he ever faced (Auburn) is his worst tape.

Chase broke SEC records at 19. Disregarding wanting another position you really have to work hard to not like him as a prospect.

(04-03-2021, 03:58 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: So, a mixed result from the tape against another high level defense. Not bad, but certainly not "generational".

(04-03-2021, 04:05 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 221 yards and 2 TD against the #1 defense in the country and Murdock over here like...

(04-03-2021, 04:12 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: So... instead of pointing out where anything I said was wrong on the video.. you just say I'm not impressed.

Very useful discussion piece. This is Fred like... you're a better poster than this.

(04-03-2021, 03:32 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: It seemed like he was just being salty... but I watched this clip, it's Chase vs Florida. His big play is not really him, as much as a brilliant play design to get him open, using the RB and defender to create space.





I'm not trying to kick a hornets nest or be all negative but, for all the hype about... "Ohhh you gotta get Chase... and he's generational." Against a good defense, he looked like a good WR... but not superman that everyone is hyping him to be. Saw him blanketed on several plays.

I do love his fight after the catch and breaking tackles, that is nice to see. 

But his first touchdown, he's covered, there is no separation from the CB. That is a perfect ball from Burrow for that score. It's around the 50 second mark in the video. And all I hear from people on this board is how we need a WR that can create separation. I saw 2 catches where Chase created separation with great routes and one where the play design created it. Outside of that, I saw a guy covered and making contested catches. 

(04-03-2021, 04:04 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Like I said, I didn't proof read the article. I saw the part about the game tape as well as the breakdown on WR draft position and found it interesting and shared it. And that part should be taken seriously, because it is actually accurate.

His other ramblings... are... ramblings.

As to Sewell. I would say hiss best competition was the Utah team that was top 10 ranked and had 3 of the 4 guys on the DL drafted and he shut them down for no sacks or the game against Wisconsin where he again shut them down. Not the Auburn team that he faced week 1 of the season and yes struggled in week 1 (like most college players do) and then got better and better as the season went on.

I agree all prospects have flaws, but no one around here seems to be willing to see them in Chase, and there is plenty of tape that shows he is good, and will be a good WR in the NFL, but he isn't some superman. In games against Clemson, Alabama, Florida, he is covered a good amount of the time. The we must draft Chase people keep using the argument of he creates separation, and when facing NFL level competition, he doesn't do it on a very regular basis.

(04-03-2021, 03:29 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: LOL

So basically zero credibility.

(04-03-2021, 04:47 AM)Whatever Wrote: You realize that #1 for Florida that you see shadowing Chase most of the time is CJ Henderson, who was the #9 overall pick this last year?  They are literally taking an elite college CB and moving him around to keep him on Chase and creating easy matchups for Jefferson to take advantage of.  He still had 100+ yards and 2 TD's despite drawing the toughest matchup most of the time and would have had a 3rd TD if Henderson didn't pull his towel and his jersey to recover after getting beat.

(04-03-2021, 07:50 AM)spazz70 Wrote: So, just like the CBs he will be playing against every game in the NFL?  Just saying, the NFL CBs are going to be a lot better.