(07-17-2019, 09:25 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: No, you can’t keep trading players away but you do have to continue to try to improve and that sometimes means trading guys that aren’t in the long term plans. The Reds just never seem to have a long term plan. Puig makes sense but only on a good deal. If he won’t negotiate now to a deal that’s reasonable then get an asset for him. Stop letting guys walk for nothing because ownership is halfass trying to win. The teams plans seem to change consistently. Their rebuild was absolutely grossly mismanaged.

(07-18-2019, 01:01 AM)McC Wrote: You have to go at least one year without wheeling and dealing yourself back to another hundred loss season.  I hate the constant rebuild talk.  This year's team is noticeably  better than last year's.  David Hernandez is personally responsible for three of the last four losses.  They're not getting blown away.  They're mainly losing close games and to good teams.  They are not that far away.

The rebuild was mismanaged because they can't find young starting pitching and catchers who can hit. 

I'm not saying be a buyer but don't be a seller.  They can afford to pay Puig.  The Reds' payroll is very low, even with Votto's number.

Sure, blow it up yet again.  Empty that stadium.

(07-18-2019, 02:28 AM)Circleville Guy Wrote: Nobody is saying to trade any of the good players under contract past this year. Nobody is saying to trade for minor leaguers. Nobody is saying not to try to sign Puig. People are saying that if you’re not going to sign them to trade them and get something. People are also saying not to sign Puig for twice what he’s worth, it has to be a fair deal. There aren’t many untouchable guys on this team. There’s a handful of guys that I wouldn’t trade but you should always try to improve the team, that doesn’t mean blow it up or rebuild but to tweak and add to the weak areas. I wouldn’t want to trade Castillo, Gray, Suarez or Senzel. They’re stuck with Votto, so that’s your core. Puig would be part of that main core if they can sign him. The Reds should be looking to improve on every other position and player if it’s there. They obviously can’t do that at every position but they should jump when they can. They need to stop loading up on one year deals on the offseason if they want a long term build.

(07-18-2019, 06:37 AM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: He has a problem of equating opinion to fact. We all do it, but it really seems to be a hurdle in his approach.

If the Reds don't get hot real quick and Puig doesn't intend to extend, then I think he'll be gone in two weeks since there isn't an August 31st deadline anymore. It is up to Puig and his agent, not the Reds brass. He may want to play in Cincinnati . . . or he may want to play in a big city . . . or he may want to play on a winning ball club again . . . or he may want the most money and he's probably not going to get that by limiting himself to just one bid from one suitor.

(07-18-2019, 03:13 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: When you talk about things that Puig may want, those are good points that we fans don’t consider enough. We just don’t know the whole story to any of the inside stuff. We can only go by what we know but that inside stuff can change everything. I get that some fans are afraid to regress back to the last 4 years, they don’t want to risk that. They’re still in last place though, so you’re not risking much. The Reds need a good business plan and then try to stick to that plan. They seem erratic in their planning.

(07-22-2019, 09:01 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: It's right around the time where trading Puig and Roark seems like the ideal scenario.

(07-06-2019, 10:42 AM)kevin Wrote: The Reds are so close to First Place.  If this team trades players like Puig or Roark for the usual crap they get in return, I'm done with this franchise.  After years and years of putting the Fans through such awful last place baseball, HOW DARE they break up this team when they finally get near First Place after all these years.  

If the Reds trade Puig, forget about it, their season is over.  He is to this team what bringing in Dave Parker was.  You can't replace what Puig is doing in right field, at the plate, on the bases. .....and you can't replace Roark either.  He makes the starting rotation a solid staff.  You can't count on Wood, and if Wood does get in here pitching well, Roark is not the odd man out.   Castillo, Gray, Disco, Roark and Wood is the type staff that can get you to the play-offs and beyond.

Yet REDS.COM story today is maybe trading Puig.  HOW DARE THEY even consider that.  After all these years of putting the Fans through such Awful. Stinking, Lousy, Boring, Pointless, LAST PLACE baseball.  Now that the team is just starting to get good May, June into July.  The Fans deserve more than 2 good months after years of losing....Adding Roark was like adding Billingham or Fred Norman.  Adding Puig has been like adding Dave Parker. .....REDS FANS should be VERY UPSET if Reds get STUPID and CHEAP and make these trades, SELLING OUT THE FANS.

Now some might come on here and give reasons to go cheap and plan for years down the road.  Pete Rose, Lou Piniella or Sparky Anderson would say THE REDS are close to FIRST PLACE NOW.   NOW is THE CHANCE.  NOW is THE TIME.  Years down the road are hopes and pipe dreams. Even Reds big draft pick superstar just got all injured in minors.  The REDS find themselves near First Place NOW....NOW is the Time....Trading key players would just be stupid....Fans should boycott this team if they make these trades this month, because they will send Reds back in Last Place, when they could have been First Place.

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(07-23-2019, 04:09 PM)firstand10 Wrote: If they trade any player trade VOTTO ! I know everybody thinks he's such a great player! But, he's a moody self righteous , poor player. He showed that last night when he hit with runners on and got out! He ran his jaws about that for a good while. Cowboy and Thom mentioined that he (Votto) doesn't like the hit and run. Cowboy,remarked "you do what you have to do to win ballgames"!

(07-23-2019, 04:09 PM)firstand10 Wrote: If they trade any player trade VOTTO !  I know everybody thinks he's such a great player! But, he's a moody self righteous , poor player. He showed that last night when he hit with runners on and got out! He ran his jaws about that for a good while. Cowboy and Thom mentioined that he (Votto) doesn't like the hit and run.  Cowboy,remarked "you do what you have to do to win ballgames"!

(07-23-2019, 08:09 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: I’ve never been a big Votto fan.

He’s always seemed like a real jerk to me.

I do think that he obsessed over his personal stats and those have always been more important to him than winning

(07-23-2019, 11:31 PM)McC Wrote: There is no market for him.  He's all but untradeable.   I would love to be proven wrong.

(07-23-2019, 08:09 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote:  There is zero reason for Votto to hit higher than sixth right now. Is there anyone in the world that disagrees with that?

(07-24-2019, 05:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: WTF?

I agree that Votto seems to have lost his stroke, but why make up a bunch of bullshit to rip him?  He is not a jerk and there is no indication that he cares more about his stats than winning.  Votto is like many players who think you win by not swinging at bad pitches.

Votto has a career slugging percentage well over .500 so it is silly to claim that OB% is the only think he is good at.

(07-24-2019, 05:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  In fact I would guess that EVERYONE would disagree.

Votto is third on the team in batting average and 2nd in OB%.

He is sixth in slugging, but one of the guys ahead of him is Dietrich who is hitting .150 and slugging .290 over the last two months compared to Votto's .275 and .444.

(07-24-2019, 05:50 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes.  In fact I would guess that EVERYONE would disagree.

Votto is third on the team in batting average and 2nd in OB%.

He is sixth in slugging, but one of the guys ahead of him is Dietrich who is hitting .150 and slugging .290 over the last two months compared to Votto's .275 and .444.