(10-16-2019, 03:49 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: They're......adequate. Leaving two of them out there to cover sideline to sideline exacerbates the problem.

(10-16-2019, 05:15 PM)MEBengalsFan Wrote: I know many want FA to come in and help the Bengals win now. But how did the Glenn, Brown, TO, etc... signing work out for the team? Most of the time FA don't live up to the hype so I'm more looking forward to the draft and the current younger players on the roster developing and improving and making enough of an impact now to help the team out next season.

(10-16-2019, 12:55 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Find new starters at the following positions (in priority order):

Offense:
- LT/LG (Reserve Williams for the other)
- RT
- QB
- Future WR1
- RG (after LT, LG, and RT get resolved)
- TE

Defense:
- 2 LBs
- 1 DL
- 2 CBs (one outside, one slot)
- S

ST:
- K

That's 13 positions. You can't realistically expect anyone drafted after 4th round to become a good position player, so that's potentially 3 drafts worth if you only focus on draft. You're looking at 2022 being the earliest the team would become a true contender if the Bengals hit on every draft pick through the first 4 rounds over the next few years.

If the Bengals want to become a true contender before 2022, they need to participate in FA more than getting B-to-C-level veterans.

It's either that or actually get coaches in that can develop late-round talent well on a consistent basis.

(10-16-2019, 02:14 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Why can't we measure Zac by what goes on on the field?

That's the only thing we can measure him by.

Realistically, this gets fixed by firing this coach and hiring another one. Rinse repeat every couple of years until the team stumbles on a coach who can win with Mike Brown at the helm. That's what happened last time, so I think it will work again.

(10-16-2019, 11:06 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Jettison Tobin and get a GM in here that has a resume
Of building playoff teams.
Then overhaul the scouting department.
Add about 10 scouts minimum
That's a start. Tobin has had more misses than hits
As GM here

(10-16-2019, 08:15 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: I would throw out on offense TE, WR 1(Depends on AJ) , and RG as needs. Nice to have sure but not needs.
On defense I would throw out DL,  S, and CB in the Nice to have pile as well.

We definitely need to use Free agency this year

(10-16-2019, 05:29 PM)Circleville Guy Wrote: I’m still unsure about the adequacy part. The speed isn’t there, bad angles and tackling wouldn’t be as exposed with 3 but I’d say mediocre at best. Upgrades wouldn’t hurt, 3 new starters with these 2 off of the bench maybe.

(10-16-2019, 05:51 PM)ezekiel23 Wrote: I think a lot of people are overreacting. We all know that the major cause of this downturn is due to the Health issues and injuries of our offensive line. Plus AJ Green being out. If not for this we have already won at least half our games thus far.Realistically??? Get a new quarterback!!!

(10-17-2019, 09:50 AM)ochocincos Wrote: What GMs are available that have built playoffs teams in recent memory?

(10-17-2019, 10:56 AM)Whatever Wrote: Bill Polian off the top of my head.

(10-17-2019, 11:02 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I said recent memory. Polian hasn't been a GM since 2011.

(10-17-2019, 11:13 AM)Whatever Wrote: Jerry Reese?

(10-17-2019, 10:12 AM)PV Bengal Wrote: Sure, health plays a role, but TALENT  plays a larger role.

Let's shift the question to this ... Which Bengal players would be SURE-FIRE STARTERS on any Top 10 NFL team?

Offense: Green, Mixon,  Boyd (maybe), Gio (maybe)

Defense: Geno, WJIII (maybe)

That's it. 3 sure-fire starters and 3 "maybe depending on the team" starters. 6 out of 22 players ... 28%.

'Nuff said.

(10-17-2019, 10:03 AM)ochocincos Wrote: Yes that's why I said in priority order. 
AJ will be 32 next year. Ross hasn't established himself enough to truly earn that WR1 or WR2 status post-AJ.
I expect Eifert to be gone after this season. Uzomah is ok but nothing special.
Miller is ok but an upgrade would be good.
The DL we thought was going to be good but they still don't get to the QB enough. If the Bengals have a chance at Chase Young, they have to consider it.
CBs aren't playing well right now and I don't see the unit becoming good just because of Dennard's return. Plus, Dennard could go elsewhere in FA. The team also needs to move on from Kirkpatrick. He is who he is at this point.
Safety has good players but Shawn Williams becomes a FA after next year.

This coming offseason will be very crucial. They have to nail the first 3-4 rounds of the draft and/or actually do well in FA.

(10-17-2019, 02:09 PM)Jakeypoo Wrote: What do you think about Tate at TE?  
What would be nice is a legit speed threat as a backup at WR. Willis and Morgan have been disappointing.  I guess you get what you pay for thought.
Dline I would rather add a 3T then End and maybe a traditional 3-4 sam Backer in the draft. Like what Ahmad Brooks was for the 49ers back in the day.