(01-21-2020, 11:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: The Tate vs Ross comparisons go off the rails when you prorate Ross's production in a similar fashion to Tate's.  Ross would have hypothetically had 1000+ yards and 6 TD's if he stayed healthy.  There's no legitimate case to make Tate #2 over Ross.

However, that also highlights their biggest similarity.  They are both injury prone.  

Regardless of which one fits anyone's particular tastes better, both Ross and Tate are unreliable due to their injury history.  Bringing back an injury prone AJ isn't the answer, either.  They need to double dip in a deep WR class.

(01-23-2020, 01:46 AM)BengalChris Wrote: Ross's unavailability is a bigger minus than you are accounting for. Ross has missed 50% of the games since he was drafted. Your #2 WR cannot miss half the games over 3 years. Hypothetical yards count for nothing. They are like those Taylor moral victories as the losses kept mounting. Ross hasn't even accumulated a 1000 yards over 3 seasons. Maybe someday he'll have a 1000 yard season, but meanwhile he's been an underperforming, overdrafted, oft-injured head case with hand deficiencies.

I'll take the WR with the better hands and higher availability every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

(01-23-2020, 02:21 PM)Whatever Wrote: So by that logic, if the Bengals reup AJ Tate should start over him because AJ has missed half the games over the last 3 seasons?

Since Tate entered the league, Ross has actually dressed for more games.  A lot of the games Tate did dress for, he only played a handful of.snaps.  Hard to get hurt standing on the sidelines.

You play the players that produce the most when they're healthy.  When both guys are healthy, Ross is more productive.  

That's also not even taking into account scheme.  Ross can effectively run a full route tree. As discussed earlier, Tate isn't fast enough to be effective deep and doesn't have the short area quickness to be effective on a lot of short routes, making him only really effective on intermediate stuff. You're limiting what you can do with your play calling by having him in the game.

Not only that,but you're presumably drafting Joe Burrow, statistically the best deep ball passer in college last year, and you're going to insert one of slowest WR's in the league over the fastest?

The reality is, both guys have injury issues and warts with their play on the field.  Hopefully, better talent comes in next year and pushes them down the depth chart.

(01-23-2020, 02:21 PM)Whatever Wrote: So by that logic, if the Bengals reup AJ Tate should start over him because AJ has missed half the games over the last 3 seasons?

Since Tate entered the league, Ross has actually dressed for more games.  A lot of the games Tate did dress for, he only played a handful of.snaps.  Hard to get hurt standing on the sidelines.

You play the players that produce the most when they're healthy.  When both guys are healthy, Ross is more productive.  

That's also not even taking into account scheme.  Ross can effectively run a full route tree. As discussed earlier, Tate isn't fast enough to be effective deep and doesn't have the short area quickness to be effective on a lot of short routes, making him only really effective on intermediate stuff. You're limiting what you can do with your play calling by having him in the game.

Not only that,but you're presumably drafting Joe Burrow, statistically the best deep ball passer in college last year, and you're going to insert one of slowest WR's in the league over the fastest?

The reality is, both guys have injury issues and warts with their play on the field.  Hopefully, better talent comes in next year and pushes them down the depth chart.

(01-23-2020, 03:34 PM)impactplaya Wrote: Yeah Tate really didn't contribute much on the field 
All he did was average 14.1 per catch and led the team in 1st down to catch ratio.
Like I said Tate is a red zone threat that had a coaching staff 
That poorly schemed up red zone packages last year 

(01-23-2020, 02:21 PM)Whatever Wrote: So by that logic, if the Bengals reup AJ Tate should start over him because AJ has missed half the games over the last 3 seasons?

Since Tate entered the league, Ross has actually dressed for more games.  A lot of the games Tate did dress for, he only played a handful of.snaps.  Hard to get hurt standing on the sidelines.

You play the players that produce the most when they're healthy.  When both guys are healthy, Ross is more productive.  

That's also not even taking into account scheme.  Ross can effectively run a full route tree. As discussed earlier, Tate isn't fast enough to be effective deep and doesn't have the short area quickness to be effective on a lot of short routes, making him only really effective on intermediate stuff. You're limiting what you can do with your play calling by having him in the game.

Not only that,but you're presumably drafting Joe Burrow, statistically the best deep ball passer in college last year, and you're going to insert one of slowest WR's in the league over the fastest?

The reality is, both guys have injury issues and warts with their play on the field.  Hopefully, better talent comes in next year and pushes them down the depth chart.

(01-22-2020, 03:46 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I don't think we'd see Whitworth back, but I never really gave it a thought of putting Whit back at the position in which he started...good idea.
That would free up a need and let Jordan, Price, and maybe a new draft pick groom for another year or start in place of Miller at RG.

(01-23-2020, 04:08 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Ross averaged more yards per catch and scored more TD's though.

Tate looks the part of a red zone threat and was in college but Ross has been the bigger red zone threat so far in the NFL.

(01-24-2020, 11:29 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: So I guess this off-season is going to be dedicated to Joe Burrow threads and Auden Tate superhero hype.

Let's get weird.

(01-24-2020, 11:29 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: So I guess this off-season is going to be dedicated to Joe Burrow threads and Auden Tate superhero hype.

Quote:Hard to get hurt standing on the sidelines

(01-24-2020, 11:29 AM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: So I guess this off-season is going to be dedicated to Joe Burrow threads and Auden Tate superhero hype.

Let's get weird.

(01-24-2020, 12:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: John Ross is thrilled to hear this.

(01-24-2020, 10:42 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: When Ross does "well", the Bengals will do horrible, because Ross IS bad.

(01-24-2020, 02:25 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Still better than Tate when he does well according to the numbers and I like Tate.

(01-25-2020, 02:20 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Tate gets a pass since he only makes the following and has made more AJ-esque catches that are amazing and is very durable and on the field:
Auden Tate signed a 3 year, $1,710,000 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including an average annual salary of $570,000


Ross is less durable, hardly on the field and has more dropsies when it counts. Only edge over Tate is he is more elusive after the catch: John Ross signed a 4 year, $17,115,863 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including a $10,587,900 signing bonus, $17,115,863 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,278,966.

(01-25-2020, 02:20 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Tate gets a pass since he only makes the following and has made more AJ-esque catches that are amazing and is very durable and on the field:
Auden Tate signed a 3 year, $1,710,000 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including an average annual salary of $570,000


Ross is less durable, hardly on the field and has more dropsies when it counts. Only edge over Tate is he is more elusive after the catch: John Ross signed a 4 year, $17,115,863 contract with the Cincinnati Bengals, including a $10,587,900 signing bonus, $17,115,863 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $4,278,966.