(03-22-2020, 10:07 PM)McC Wrote: A lot of people think won't get by the Ratbirds in the first.  a LOT of people.

(03-22-2020, 09:44 PM)McC Wrote: Murray in the bottom third of the second?  Most people think he won't even be there at 33.  I understand the unpredictability of the draft but there seems to be a virtual consensus on him being a first rounder.

(03-22-2020, 11:41 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: Yeah it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened. The mock draft machine I used had him there, so I went with it. 

The knock I've read on Murray is that he's not always assignment-disciplined. He'll get you some big plays but give up some too. I could see a scenario where that sort of information, which wouldn't be available to regular Joes in the media, caused him to drop further than anybody thought. 

I mean Mack Wilson was projected in roughly the same range and dropped all the way to the fifth round I believe. 

(03-22-2020, 10:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Those Ratbirds are a bit of a worry now all around with Lamar becoming what he has.

Didn't think Lamar had it in him I was wrong sadly, he can throw from the pocket now. 

Will be tough going against these guys for years to come if he keeps it up.

(03-23-2020, 11:06 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Lamar could always throw from the pocket. The whole "he can't throw" just got started because he runs so well that was his go to, and pretty much still is.  He made tremendous passes at Louisville.

(03-22-2020, 11:41 PM)Geno_Can_Dunk Wrote: Yeah it's unlikely, but stranger things have happened. The mock draft machine I used had him there, so I went with it. 

The knock I've read on Murray is that he's not always assignment-disciplined. He'll get you some big plays but give up some too. I could see a scenario where that sort of information, which wouldn't be available to regular Joes in the media, caused him to drop further than anybody thought. 

I mean Mack Wilson was projected in roughly the same range and dropped all the way to the fifth round I believe. 

(03-23-2020, 03:17 PM)JerseyDD09 Wrote: I saw the same issues as Nate.

Murray has dramatically better numbers than what Mack Wilson did. And, his measurables are much better.

Murray Combine---6'2", 240, 4.50 40yd, Vert-38"
Wilson Combine---6'1", 240, 4.71 40 yd, Vert-33"

Wilson had an up and down 1 year as a starter for Alabama.
Not much debate about Murray's season at OU. He had a great year.

I don't see Murray getting past the Bengals if he falls to them at #33. I think everyone on this board may jump at that point! Lmao! Or, how about if we were to pass him up at #65 and then the 4th???? OMG, people's heads would explode!

(03-23-2020, 01:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know that, I just didn't like his throwing motion and he improved it last year a lot. Like I said, I was wrong about him.

Lamar has turned into a fine QB.

(03-23-2020, 07:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: As weak as this year's LB class is, I'd honestly be surprised if Murray made it past 20. 

(03-23-2020, 07:20 PM)Pat5775 Wrote: Until the playoffs begin

(03-22-2020, 10:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Those Ratbirds are a bit of a worry now all around with Lamar becoming what he has.

Didn't think Lamar had it in him I was wrong sadly, he can throw from the pocket now. 

Will be tough going against these guys for years to come if he keeps it up.

(03-23-2020, 01:59 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I know that, I just didn't like his throwing motion and he improved it last year a lot. Like I said, I was wrong about him.

Lamar has turned into a fine QB.

(03-24-2020, 12:55 PM)JSR18 Wrote: Maybe. I foresee some wicked shoot-outs between Lamar and Joe Burrow....  

(03-24-2020, 01:06 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Lamar is an excellent QB. However, I stand by the prediction that he will have a short career compared to the average QB. I love watching duel threat QBs but reality is they dont seem to be nearly as durable for longevity in the NFL as a pure pocket passer. They are more like RBs the way their bodies take a beating. Dont get me wrong, if Lamar was a Bengal I'd be ecstatic, but I would still be expecting injuries to eventually start pilng on and shorten his career. That just an opinion of course, but I do stand by it until I start seeing different.

(03-24-2020, 01:06 PM)bengaloo Wrote: Lamar is an excellent QB. However, I stand by the prediction that he will have a short career compared to the average QB. I love watching duel threat QBs but reality is they dont seem to be nearly as durable for longevity in the NFL as a pure pocket passer. They are more like RBs the way their bodies take a beating. Dont get me wrong, if Lamar was a Bengal I'd be ecstatic, but I would still be expecting injuries to eventually start pilng on and shorten his career. That just an opinion of course, but I do stand by it until I start seeing different.

(03-23-2020, 07:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: As weak as this year's LB class is, I'd honestly be surprised if Murray made it past 20. 

(03-24-2020, 01:59 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Actually, by most accounts, this draft is pretty deep with talented LBs. Also, Murray has been projected many times as a 2nd round pick.

My question is, why is Baun not getting any love?

Here is a nice article on LB depth and draft projections:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers

(03-24-2020, 01:59 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Actually, by most accounts, this draft is pretty deep with talented LBs. Also, Murray has been projected many times as a 2nd round pick.

My question is, why is Baun not getting any love?

Here is a nice article on LB depth and draft projections:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers

(03-24-2020, 02:55 PM)Whatever Wrote: According to whom?  This class is so bad that people are talking about Patrick Queen, a guy with less than a year of starting experience, possibly going in the 1st.  

Murray will go higher than many are expecting simply because he and Simmons are the only real "clean" stack LB prospects in the draft.  I don't think he's one of the 20 best players in the draft, but someone will reach based on the lack of quality behind him and a thin FA LB class.  

(03-24-2020, 01:49 PM)McC Wrote: Well said.  And I would add that the fact that their entire offense is built around having him carry the ball definitely screams shelf life.  He's been good at avoiding the bone crushers but it really only takes one to start the decline.  Ask RGIII.

(03-24-2020, 02:37 PM)McC Wrote: Baun can drop and cover, play the run and get after the QB.  That sounds like hell yeah, gimme one of those.

(03-24-2020, 01:59 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Actually, by most accounts, this draft is pretty deep with talented LBs. Also, Murray has been projected many times as a 2nd round pick.

My question is, why is Baun not getting any love?

Here is a nice article on LB depth and draft projections:

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2020-nfl-draft-position-rankings-linebackers

(03-24-2020, 03:16 PM)Chezaugie Wrote: Did you even bother to read the link I posted? If not, here is another link that supports my post:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2872786-ranking-every-position-in-the-2020-nfl-draft#slide5

My point is, there are plenty of good prospects at LB in the first 3 rounds for the Bengals. This may not be the best year for LB depth but it is far better than last year.