(04-21-2020, 04:08 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: What a lot of the QB's you listed have in common is poor decision making.  Ryan Leaf had the arm.  So did Akili Smith.  The intangibles were missing IMO.  

(04-21-2020, 05:40 PM)shanebo Wrote: I think it's a combination of things.  Leaf had poor decision making (both on and off the field).  Akili simply wasn't that smart and couldn't read an NFL defense.  Jones had the physique, but not the requisite skill.  Russell had off-the-field issues.  Weinke plateaued in college.  Carr was hit too much.  Shuler and Ware were system guys.  Of the non-QBs, Emtman was injured, and Salaam was a headcase. 

In college, you can surround a guy with talent or tailor a system to his strengths and he can be successful for a season.  It's harder to follow that up because you have to deal with the pressure of expectations, DC's game-planning for you, off-season film study, etc.  NFL has much more parity and week-to-week prep, plus you play two teams twice every season so they can focus on your weaknesses.  A lot of things have to happen in order to achieve success in the NFL, which is why the draft is such a crap shoot.  Teams need luck and skill.    

(04-21-2020, 05:52 PM)spazz70 Wrote: This is my major concern with Joe Burrow

(04-21-2020, 01:56 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: The whole argument of "he only did it for one year" criticism of Burrow is not logical. If someone demonstrates an ability, then the potential is there. Burrow's accuracy and decision making incrementally improved each game of each season. It is what one would expect in terms of excellent performance and peaking.

Behavior that occurs for 6-12 months is considered ingrained pattern. Not a fluke. It could be argued "he only did it for one game" would be reasonable fluke. When a QB breaks historic records over an entire season, including the CFP and National championship, it is a behavior pattern of excellence. Burrow performed excellence under the most intense pressured filled moments against some of the college's best football athletes.

How many plays occurred in this "one year?" How many decisions? How many inspirational moments? Remember, over the course of playing against the best competition in college football, Burrow made hundreds if not thousands of correct decisions under duress. This illustrates the Burrow has innate ability or "traits" which are ingrained; part of his DNA.

Every athlete drafted this year is a risk. Every single one.

If a football player has "it factor" and demonstrates it consistently over several games, then the "elite" floor is there. If a football player has "it factor" potential but hasn't demonstrated it consistently i.e; Patrick Queen, then the "elite" ceiling has been established but is more of a risk to actualize the potential.

Burrow has elite floor that is not magically going to disappear. My only concern is his health and he takes too many hits. Health is the great equalizing in sports.

(04-21-2020, 06:04 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Realistically who does what Burrow did in the SEC for 3 or 4 games? He did it every game(mostly) and always performed when the lights were brightest. He is Joe “Willy” Burrow, someone ought to get Joe Namaths opinion on JB.
So yes he earned his position in the draft, now the Bengals need to focus on protecting Burrow’s health with a fine offensive line and one with depth. Starting with this draft.

(04-21-2020, 06:15 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: No, they really shouldn't.

Namath is one of the worst QBs to ever suit up.

(04-21-2020, 05:55 PM)McC Wrote: Based on what?

(04-21-2020, 06:41 PM)spazz70 Wrote: Are we gonna do this again?  

(04-21-2020, 03:16 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Maybe not this year.  Elite QB like Manning struggled first year.  

I don't recall Montana being considered elite coming out of college.  The interesting attribute about Montana is how calm he was during games.  Like eerily calm.   He calmed down his entire team on the field.  I think Burrow will not only improve everyone around him with his moxy but he will have a confidence effect on his teammates during times of pressure.  The intangibles that Burrow brings was not a one year product.  It goes all the way to high school.  It is in his DNA.  

(04-21-2020, 07:02 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: My point all players are evaluation and those are 2 points of concern.. and they are fair points..

(04-21-2020, 02:39 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The funny thing is how some of the same people who claim we should ignore Dalton's one great year love Burrow based on just one great year. 

(04-21-2020, 06:43 PM)McC Wrote: Answer the question.

(04-21-2020, 08:02 PM)spazz70 Wrote: I did in another thread two weeks ago with you...  Go look it up.  Remember when you got all high and mighty because you graduated from UC a
loathe OSU.  I said everything I needed to in that thread...Peace

(04-21-2020, 03:57 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: If I recall correctly and more to this point Holic, I did not know Burrow's High School football team was historically bad.  Burrow elevated his teammates and they won state.  

(04-21-2020, 05:56 PM)muskiesfan Wrote: This is just so crazy to me. Burrow is and should be the pick. I'm happy with that and ready for it to happen. I haven't posted much because if you don't slobber all over Joe, you're a hater and a troll. I'm neither. Just cautiously optimistic. I want Burrow to be the greatest QB that's ever walked the planet, but I temper my hopes and expectations. It's nothing personal against him. I just don't want to set myself up to be disappointed.

I'm definitely excited for the new Tiger King to come into town and I hope he leads us to the promised land. However, being a lifelong Bengals fan makes me nervous. It's perfectly okay for those who feel this is going to turn the franchise around, but it's also okay for those of us who aren't quite ready to go balls out yet as well. We're all fans of the same team and want our team to be successful, but because someone doesn't compare Burrow to Manning, Brady, Marino, Favre, Montana, etc, etc doesn't mean we're hating on him or throwing shade.

I hope Jeaux Exotic is everything he looks like he could be. I can't tell you how much I'd love to see this team hoist the Lombardi. I believe he could be the guy to get us there, just not ready to proclaim it as a foregone conclusion just yet.