(11-24-2020, 10:56 AM)Big Boss Wrote: Oof.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/zac-taylor-bengals-culture-problem

Quote:Multiple sources have described the culture in Cincinnati as more of a “college-level” environment instead of a professional locker room.


One member of the team said that the culture didn't even compare to a college locker room. 

"It's worse," they said. 

Multiple people within the organization believe players are staying quiet because they don't want to lose playing time. They say that there is very little trust between the players and the coaching staff. 

(11-24-2020, 01:35 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Why would anyone renew season tickets in 2021?

Likely 2021 will be a 6 win season when Burrow is on IR for first 6 games.

I hope they have n more than 5000 in the stands, they do not deserve paying fans.

(11-24-2020, 10:23 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: While everyone here is very emotional right now (and it is completely understandable), I have tried to take an honest look at ZT and here is what I come up with:

PROs:

I like the focus on culture and guys that come from winning programs.  

I like the fact that (for the most part) he doesn't play the guy that has been around the longest, just because he has been around the longest.  He plays the younger, more talented player in many cases.  However, he also seemingly won't tolerate mistakes.  Ross didn't get much run this year at all and that is a former #9 overall pick.  And they were struggling at WR with Green not doing much.  

He seems like a nice guy that most of the players like

CONS:

He abandons the running game way too early.  Sometimes it is like watching a kid play Madden.  Without WRs that generate quick separation, Burrow often found himself "behind the sticks" (3rd and long) and would be exposed to a lot of hits.  See first Cleveland game, Philly game, steeler game.

There is no consistency in his game.  He has a fantastic scheme to get Sample and Gio Bernard involved in the screen game where they completed 10 passes on 10 attempts for over 100 yards against the Browns the second game.  The offensive gameplan was stellar.  It was.  They only lost because they couldn't get one stop on defense.  Then, they don't face as strong a pass rush against Tennessee and Burrow picks them apart.  Back to a team with perhaps the best pass rush (pitt) and no screen game at all.  It just makes no sense.  Never saw it the first Cleveland game or against Philly where he was getting killed.

Defense?  What is that?   I get letting your coordinators run their show, but he doesn't seem to have any interest in working on that side of the ball.  Maybe tell his DC what he is seeing as an OC and help him self-scout a bit.  

Route concepts.  I have heard that other teams steal his designs, but I ask why that would be when the Bengals WRs generate the least separation of any receiver corps in the league (that was a next gen stat shared on a radio show...no source).  The naked eye shows that as well.  Burrow holding on to the ball too long with no running game and a suspect offensive line.

So, as a whole, I have a lot more negative comments than positives.  I can't help but think I would feel quite different about a lot of this if the FA acquisitions had panned out on defense and the defense wasn't so awful (again).  That would give Burrow more possessions, etc.  The guy only played with a lead twice that I know of and he was fantastic.  But, as it sits, a whole lot more red than green in the ledger.  The only problem is, I have no idea who you replace him with.  If you say Eric Bienemy, you will have the exact same scenario that by the time you are able to hire him, he will have no assistants to choose from.  As much as I hate to say it, I give him (and Lou) one more year.  They have been in every game but two (that will change now) and I have seen signs of improvement on both sides despite massive disappoints from stalwarts like Green, Dunlap, and Atkins as well as injuries to key FA.  

(11-24-2020, 10:13 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Everyone says Turner is an idiot for keeping Jordan in the starting lineup and criticize him when he says he sees Jordan developing. But, for the last 2 years people made that same statement about Hart, and yet here is Hart playing RT at a fairly decent level. Turner may or may not be replaced.

(11-24-2020, 10:13 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Lou Anarumo will be back. He was given a lot of free agents to help the defense, and most of them got hurt. He's playing with a defensive line consisting of Covington, Bledsoe and Hunt and has them playing above their pedigrees. I believe Lou gets one more year with a healthy defense. 

(11-24-2020, 10:56 AM)Big Boss Wrote: Oof.

https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/zac-taylor-bengals-culture-problem

(11-24-2020, 10:21 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Take emotion out of if for a minute, has Turner really done that bad a job? Injuries have really caused his oline to be completely different for just about every game. Heck, he lost 3 starters in one game, had to start a player who were here for a day, and yet the protection this year has gotten consistently better from the beginning of the season to what it is now, especially since the Ravens game. Could any other line coach have done better in this circumstance with these players?

(11-24-2020, 03:58 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Hope they like starting negotiations with the county at the end of next year about the lease agreement.

(11-24-2020, 12:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The most damning evidence against Turner is that many of the problems with pass protection are mental errors instead of players getting beat physically one-on-one.  Our O-line does not seem to be able to pick up a blitz or a stunt by the D-line.  The Ravens got five sacks from DBs because we were clueless against the blitz.

Plus Jonah looks nothing like the first O-lineman taken in the draft should.  He is struggling to be average.

Turner was the ONLY coach I gave any credit after it appeared that we fixed the run game in the middle of last season, but whatever they did last year is gone.  I just don't understand it.




Our defense was helpless against the run even before Reader and Alexander got injured.  And, again, the most damning evidence against him is more about scheme than poor individual play.  Teams score at will at the end of the half or the end of a game.  That has killed us all year.

Plus the fact that Dunlap is tearing it up with the Seahawks makes Lou look like a clown.  Apparently Lou wanted Dunlap gone after last season and the front office favored keeping Carlos.  For this reason alone I feel that even if the rest of the staff returns Lou will be gone.

(11-24-2020, 04:04 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: He should be, and I was not exactly a big proponent of the way Dunlap handled that.

(11-24-2020, 04:13 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: None of us were.

And he's my 2nd favourite player ever; he handled it with immaturity and little class.

Still, unless my deductions are far off, I guess he had to stoop to the level of his handlers, to be let go...

(11-23-2020, 11:32 PM)GodFather Wrote: https://www.cincyjungle.com/2020/11/23/21611886/nfl-rumors-bengals-coach-zac-taylor-joe-burrow-knee-injury


No shock to any Bengals fan....

(11-24-2020, 08:45 PM)cincyfan429 Wrote: Worst owner and front office in all of sports. No other organization is even close. Those clowns are running this team like Forrest Gump

(11-24-2020, 08:45 PM)cincyfan429 Wrote: Worst owner and front office in all of sports. No other organization is even close. Those clowns are running this team like Forrest Gump