(01-09-2021, 02:24 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I can't see the Bengals keeping Uzomah at his salary while also paying for Ertz. More than likely, Uzomah would have to be cut so that the extra cap space can help cover the cost of Ertz. My only nervousness for bringing in Ertz is that he's already 30 years old and this team probably isn't a contender next year. I think the Bengals are probably at least a year or two from contending at the earliest.

(01-09-2021, 02:06 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I do not agree Parsons should be considered at 5.
An off-ball LB does not have the same value as an elite TE in today's NFL.
Out of the top 10 LBs in the NFL in 2020, none of them were 1st round picks. All were picked between Rds 2-4.

As for TEs being in top 5, you clearly didn't even bother doing research.
TJ Hockenson had the third-most receiving yards amongst TEs, and he was picked 8th overall in 2019.
Noah Fant, another 1st rounder in 2019, was 6th most.
Evan Engram (1st round 2017) was 8th most.

Kelce should have been drafted higher, but he went to UC, which was not a Power 5 school. Had he went to a Power 5 school and put up his senior year stats, he likely would have been a 2nd or even 1st round pick.

As for 40 time for Pitts, how do you know it's 4.7? He hasn't ran the 40 yet at the Combine or Pro Day. 
I believe you are reading a report that he ran 4.70 IN HIGH SCHOOL (https://www.profootballnetwork.com/three-headed-monster-2021-tight-end-group/). 
He looks faster than 4.70 in the games I've watched this year. We'll see come Combine time.

(01-09-2021, 02:11 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Because professional sports are leagues of talent. The most talented players give you the best results, regardless of position, which lessens the burden on other positions around them. If you have an average player at a position, the players around them at times have to help because of their shortcomings. Of course there's no guarantee how a player will perform. That's why you look at the history of players at certain positions and use that in your evaluation of consideration.

Picking for need, specifically in the first, drastically lessens your chance of getting a top notch player because in any given year, that position group is not going to be as talented as players at the top of other groups. So you're taking a player of lesser talent, in a position you're weak, in a spot that's usually reserved for guys that are at the top of their position group. NFL teams want the most talented players that they can get, regardless of position. That's why you take the most talented players at the top of the draft and take players in a position of need later in the draft, because later rounds are filled with guys of more equal talent.

(01-10-2021, 01:57 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: So you are saying that moving a few spots 5 to 8 in then NFL is a mass difference of talent? in majority of cases that would not be right since as you move up the ladder of sports, the talent differences gets much smaller. 

Every year teams pick position over best player available..and they are successful, others pick the opposite and they are successful also.  In this situation we are not talking about moving out of rounds, we are talking spots.

(01-10-2021, 02:48 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Never did give my list.

1. Sewell
2. Chase
3. Pitts
4. Surtain

5. Slater/Darrisaw

That 5th spot is tough for me right now. Who would people prefer out of those two if we’re dead set on a OT and Sewell is gone?

(01-09-2021, 08:37 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: With all due respect, if Bengals used this analogy every player 30 and over should traded/cut n the off season. I am not against it, but Geno and others are on wrong side of 30. I would rather have Ertz than Geno in 2021. I think he would be a better player and contribute more and based on 2020 would be a lot cheaper than Geno.

(01-10-2021, 01:57 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: So you are saying that moving a few spots 5 to 8 in then NFL is a mass difference of talent? in majority of cases that would not be right since as you move up the ladder of sports, the talent differences gets much smaller. 

Every year teams pick position over best player available..and they are successful, others pick the opposite and they are successful also.  In this situation we are not talking about moving out of rounds, we are talking spots.

(01-10-2021, 05:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: It can make a huge difference or very little depending on the draft class and how the picks fall.  If there are 5 elite prospects in the draft class and you move from 5 to 8, you will probably get a significantly worse player.  If the top 8 are graded closely, then you won't.  You compound this effect when you're drafting based on need and not using bpa.  These weren't in the top 10, but examples involving the Bengals including missing out on Ragnow and winding up with Price, missing DeCastro and getting Zeitler, and missing on Stephen Jackson for Chris Perry.

(01-10-2021, 05:43 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ...and not trading down got us Akili Smith..

(01-10-2021, 05:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: It can make a huge difference or very little depending on the draft class and how the picks fall.  If there are 5 elite prospects in the draft class and you move from 5 to 8, you will probably get a significantly worse player.  If the top 8 are graded closely, then you won't.  You compound this effect when you're drafting based on need and not using bpa.  These weren't in the top 10, but examples involving the Bengals including missing out on Ragnow and winding up with Price, missing DeCastro and getting Zeitler, and missing on Stephen Jackson for Chris Perry.

(01-11-2021, 10:28 AM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Again hard to support moving 3 spots in 1st round especially in top 10, you end up with a major drop in class in the NFL draft..pretty much opinion  based.  Sure you have isolated in your thread but vs thousands of drafts picks through the years.    I just don;t buy your analysis of limited elite prospects in the NFL draft...  it is hard to again quantify "elite" in College transferring over to the NFL and if you look at most drafts there area multiple positions players that are graded at the high level plus NFL draft history is littered with elite busts too. These are the discussions that happen in the War Rooms,  Need vs. BPA.. risk vs. reward..etc//not all work out either way.  I would say more teams end up trading up for Need and more teams tend to trade back for BPA but again opinion based 
  

(01-11-2021, 04:42 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You're typing a lot of words but not saying much. It's not opinion based. 

Go look at All Pros and Pro Bowlers. Where do the vast majority of Pro Bowlers come from? Yep, the top/middle of the first round.

Go look at where 60% of All Pros were drafted at. Yep, 1st round. 
https://www.rockmnation.com/2019/2/21/18233383/first-rounders-dominate-the-ranks-of-nfl-all-pro-selections

First rounders are 5x more likely to make All Pro. 

In any given draft, after the first 10 picks are made, the talent level starts to drop increasingly precipitously. 

There are certainly exceptions but they're called exceptions for a reason. 

(01-11-2021, 05:04 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: And u go so off topic it is hard to respond,  we started talking 5 to 8 move  , need vs bpa move,you venture into 1st round all pros etc.. your logic is all over the place, might as well move on from those discussion

(01-11-2021, 04:03 PM)yang Wrote: If we don't end up with Chase or Sewell, trade back. Anything else and I would be dissapointed. We need 3 QB's to go early really bad imho. I don't see anyone else worth #5 pick.

(01-10-2021, 05:15 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Between Slater and Darrisaw? I’ll take Eichenberg

(01-10-2021, 05:15 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Between Slater and Darrisaw? I’ll take Eichenberg