(10-27-2021, 10:58 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm sure you've heard that a lot

(10-28-2021, 07:17 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Yeah I'd like our secondary to get some picks. I think they only have one on the season. Unless I'm forgetting some.

(10-28-2021, 07:43 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: No problemo

Andrew the Bengals PFF guy (or whatever his name is), basically said the same thing this afternoon.

Fingers crossed

(10-28-2021, 09:58 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Hendrickson is gonna get held more than a newborn baby 

(10-28-2021, 12:09 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: This is where people are ridiculous.

A rookie QB has *1* good game against us, like 20 years ago and all of a sudden, "wE cAn'T sToP rOoKiE qBs!"

We have had bad games agianst rookies, but many more good ones (and some average):

Name|Team|Completions|Attempts|Yards|TDs|INTs|SK|Long|Rating|Rush Attempts|Rush Yards|TDs|Long|

David Carr HOU 18 32 199 0 2 2 13 26 48.8 2 9 0 5 | 38-3 loss in 2002
Kyle Boller BAL 15 27 302 2 1 3 21 73 104.2 4 8 0 5 | 34-26 loss in 2003
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 17 25 174 1 0 1 6 30 101.1 4 2 0 3 | 28-17 win in 2004
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 15 21 138 1 0 7 54 26 104.9 9 16 0 4 | 19-14 win in 2004
Eli Manning NYG 19 37 201 0 1 2 17 27 56.3 0 0 0 | 23-22 loss in 2004
Kyle Orton CHI 17 39 149 0 5 0 0 23 14.7 1 0 0 0 | 24-7 loss in 2005
Charlie Frye CLE 16 24 138 1 1 2 14 17 78.1 4 14 1 7 | 23-20 loss in 2005
Bruce Gradkowski TAM 25 44 184 2 1 2 10 18 72.5 4 19 0 7 | 14-13 win in 2006
Jay Cutler DEN 12 23 179 2 1 3 19 39 88.9 2 -1 0 | 24-23 win in 2006
Brock Berlin STL 17 28 153 0 1 0 0 23 60.6 3 -16 0 0 | 19-10 loss in 2007
Joe Flacco BAL 15 29 129 0 0 0 0 15 63.7 4 37 1 38 | 17-10 win in 2008
Joe Flacco BAL 19 29 280 2 0 2 8 70 119.9 3 15 0 11 | 34-3 win in 2008
Matthew Stafford DET 11 26 143 1 2 3 27 54 41.0 3 -2 0 4 | 23-13 loss in 2009
Mark Sanchez NYJ 8 16 63 0 0 0 0 14 60.2 2 2 0 1 | 37-0 win in 2009
Jimmy Clausen CAR 16 33 188 0 1 1 8 44 53.6 6 10 0 5 | 20-7 loss in 2010
Colt McCoy CLE 19 25 243 2 0 4 24 46 132.6 0 0 0 | 19-17 loss in 2010
Blaine Gabbert JAX 15 28 221 1 0 3 21 74 91.5 5 11 0 6 | 30-20 loss in 2011
T.J. Yates HOU 26 44 300 2 1 5 32 27 85.4 5 36 0 17 | 20-19 win in 2011
John Skelton ARI 23 44 297 2 3 5 40 39 60.5 4 6 0 4 | 23-16 loss in 2011
Brandon Weeden CLE 26 37 322 2 0 2 13 27 114.9 2 6 0 4 | 34-27 loss in 2012
Robert Griffin III WAS 21 34 221 1 0 5 42 29 90.4 13 74 1 19 | 38-31 loss in 2012
Ryan Tannehill MIA 17 26 223 0 0 2 12 30 92.3 4 -4 0 -1 17-13 | win in 2012
Brandon Weeden CLE 17 29 231 2 1 2 13 71 92.7 3 3 0 2 34-24 | win in 2012
Nick Foles PHI 16 33 180 1 1 1 3 46 62.7 2 5 0 5 | 34-13 loss in 2012
Geno Smith NYJ 20 30 159 0 2 3 28 26 51.9 2 8 0 5 | 49-9 loss in 2013
Blake Bortles JAX 22 33 247 2 1 2 14 40 96.4 4 10 0 5 33-23 | loss in 2014
Johnny Manziel CLE 10 18 80 0 2 3 26 32 27.3 5 13 0 10 30-0 | loss in 2014
Dak Prescott DAL 18 24 227 1 0 1 5 31 117.9 7 4 1 5 28-14 | win in 2016
Kevin Hogan CLE 12 24 100 0 2 2 10 17 26.4 7 104 1 28 | 31-17 loss in 2016
Carson Wentz PHI 36 60 308 1 3 1 2 41 58.2 3 16 0 10 | 32-14 loss in 2016
Deshaun Watson HOU 15 24 125 0 0 3 27 25 75.9 5 67 1 | 13-9 win in 2017
DeShone Kizer CLE 16 34 118 0 1 1 7 26 43.5 5 10 0 | 31-7 loss in 2017
DeShone Kizer CLE 18 31 268 0 0 3 23 44 86.5 9 39 1 | 30-16 loss in 2017
Mitchell Trubisky CHI 25 32 271 1 0 2 21 36 112.4 2 5 1 | 33-7 win in 2017
Lamar Jackson BAL 13 19 150 0 1 3 14 23 70.1 26 119 0 | 24-21 win in 2018
Baker Mayfield CLE 19 26 258 4 0 0 0 24 143.9 4 -4 0 | 35-20 win in 2018
Baker Mayfield CLE 27 37 284 3 0 0 0 66 121.9 6 16 0 | 26-18 win in 2018
Kyler Murray ARI 20 32 253 0 0 1 5 28 87.1 10 93 1 24 | 26-23 win in 2019
Gardner Minshew II JAX 15 32 255 1 0 2 11 47 84.8 9 48 0 20 | 27-17 win in 2019
Mason Rudolph PIT 24 28 229 2 0 0 0 43 124.6 3 -3 0 -1 | 27-3 win in 2019
Mason Rudolph PIT 8 16 85 0 1 1 13 35 39.8 4 4 0 2 | 16-10 win in 2019
Tua Tagovailoa MIA 26 39 296 1 0 0 0 35 97.8 3 3 0 4 | 19-7 win in 2020
Trevor Lawrence JAX 17 24 204 0 0 1 2 52 96.5 8 36 1 11 | 24-21 loss in 2021

So overall, in the past 20 years against rookie starters:

- 22-21 record and before 2018, we were 21-13, so really, the only bad stretch has been in the past 3 years. But we've also faced much-better rookies, in the past 3 years (save for Rudolph and Tua)
- 79.2 average QB rating given up, with a high of 143.9 (Hayseed), a low of 14.7 (Orton) and a median of 86.5. So basically, the average rookie QB has performed like Carsone (87.9 career QB Rating) or Andy (87.5 career QB Rating).
- Given that this is a team sport, Flacco (1), Lamar (1), Rudolph (1), Sanchez and Gradkowski, all won due to their team and not because of their own performance (ESPECIALLY in the latter 2 cases; played backups against the Jets and the refs screwed up against the Bucs).

So yes, not only should we let the old narrative die, but we should also discredit it completely, as neither Carsone nor Andy will be making any HoF, anytime soon.

EDIT**and if we want to go the, "scrub," route, then that narrative is blatantly-false, as we have a significantly-better record against scrubs than what is, "common knowledge," around these parts (I went through essentially every game since 2002, in compiling this data and we beat RGIII with 1 leg, Austin Davis, Kellen Clemens, Thad Lewis, EJ Manuel, Manziel {again}, Colt McCoy {again}, Brady Quinn, etc. We never lost to ANY of those guys, save for maybe Tom Savage in 2016).

(10-29-2021, 06:31 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: I really hope you didn’t take too much time with this.



In this entire forest of words you admit we’re roughly .500 against scrubs. So….


This doesn’t even get into the quality over quantity aspect. We have Tj Yates his only playoff dub, made Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simeon look serviceable.


Come on man.

(10-29-2021, 06:31 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: I really hope you didn’t take too much time with this.



In this entire forest of words you admit we’re roughly .500 against scrubs. So….


This doesn’t even get into the quality over quantity aspect. We have Tj Yates his only playoff dub, made Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simeon look serviceable.


Come on man.

(10-29-2021, 07:07 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I didn't and thus, I can tell you didn't read it.

I said we are almost 1.000 against scrubs. I said we're 22-21 against ROOKIES and prior to 2018, we were 21-13, because no one complains about scrubs, people complain about rookies.

The only established backups/journeymen (scrubs) we've lost to in the past 20 years are Gradkowski in 2009 (Raiders), Yates and Osweiler in 2015 and Savage (2016).

Siemien became a shitty player, but led the team to 8-6, with an 84.7 rating and 18/10 TD/INT ratio and 7.0 YPA.

It's not earthshattering, but quite average and that's far from scrub.

Hell, we beat Darnold in 2019 who is a gargantuan scrub and that's more-recent than the likes of Yates or Savage.

(10-27-2021, 09:20 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So is it Sam or Mike?

(10-27-2021, 11:56 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: People forgot about our history with scrub qbs?

(10-28-2021, 10:10 AM)Tomkat Wrote: This isn't even CLOSE to the same team or coaching staff... you can throw that "history" out the window.

(10-27-2021, 09:05 PM)Whacked Wrote: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/sam-white-jets-qb-zach-wilson-injury/j603ku8kacc12l1vkkioxv36

Sam White will make his first NFL start for the Jets during their Halloween matchup against the Bengals on Sunday.

The Jets confirmed on Wednesday that White will start over Joe Flacco shortly after the New York franchise acquired the veteran quarterback in a trade deal with the Eagles. Although he's been with the Jets for three seasons, White made his first regular-season completion during the 54-13 loss to the Patriots.

White completed 21 of 32 passes for 202 yards with two interceptions and scored one touchdown to make his NFL debut in Gillette Stadium after Wilson exited the field with a sprained knee. He connected with Corey Davis in the second quarter to earn his first touchdown on a six-play, 69-yard drive.

"Thought he did a really nice job when he stepped in there on Sunday," Jets coach Robert Saleh told reporters after practice Wednesday. "Finished off the scoring drive, had another drive into field goal range that we failed on fourth down. Had a scoring drive to start the second half. Had another drive that entered field goal range, we just didn’t finish. So he can move the ball. He can do well. Don’t make it bigger than it needs to be.

Here's everything you need to know about the Jets' new starter.

Who is Mike White?
Finishing off his collegiate career at Western Kentucky, White was selected by Dallas in the fifth round of the 2018 NFL Draft. He joined the New York franchise in 2019 after he was waived by the Cowboys. Since then he's been going through a cyclic rotation of being assigned to the practice squad and active roster.

After evaluation of his injury, Wilson is expected to be out for two to four weeks. The Jets haven't placed their rookie starter on the injured reserve and it is unclear how long White will keep the starting position.

The Jets are choosing to start White over Joe Flacco, who the Jets acquired on Tuesday after they confirmed that Wilson sprained his PCL. White will lead the Jets on Sunday to make his first start against the Bengals' defense, which has totaled 19 sacks through six matchups.

(11-01-2021, 01:23 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: if hes a rookie he took chases belt this week

as for white over Flacco after that performance why not.. Also flacco still has just been there a week now

(11-01-2021, 01:32 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Mike White had been in the league for 3 years. Just never got a start before yesterday.

(11-01-2021, 12:53 PM)Tomkat Wrote: Well, that didn't age well....
F**K me for daring to believe.

(10-28-2021, 11:50 AM)BoomerFan Wrote:  Everyone needs to play clean too because you know our luck with the refs won't last.