(01-11-2022, 04:16 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I'm sure they're correct on Higgins blocking. But I'm remembering the play where Chase ran ahead of Mixon and took the safety out in the Lions game for an easy score. 

(01-11-2022, 12:57 AM)Synric Wrote: Im pretty sure Ja'Marr Chase also leads the NFL in dropped passes.

(01-11-2022, 02:12 PM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: Joe Burrow is the highest graded quarterback according to PFF in 2021. Most of their voices on podcasts etc name Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady the league MVP instead of Burrow. That's not an indictment on the grades; it's an acknowledgement that the assessment process cannot possibly capture everything, and that if the grades are viewed separately from production and each is allowed to moderate/mediate impressions of the other, that it can paint a clearer picture.

(01-11-2022, 04:35 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Heck, we've seen Jackson Carman manhandle guys a couple times, but PFF rates him low because he doesn't consistently perform like that.

(01-11-2022, 06:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So the guys at PFF did not use PFF rankings to decide who was the best?

My what a ringing endorsement of their value.

(01-11-2022, 06:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So the guys at PFF did not use PFF rankings to decide who was the best?

My what a ringing endorsement of their value.

(01-11-2022, 06:15 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Here is a perfect example of the problem I have with PFF.

With QBs and skill players there are objective stats to show that PFF rankings don't mean much.  But with positions like O-line, where there are no objective stats to compare, PFF rankings are taken as gospel.

(01-11-2022, 06:20 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: If you really, truly don't understand how this works, that's a you problem. You're wasting your time trying to cancel it based on what (little) you understand about it. 

(01-11-2022, 06:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think Fred makes some valid points though.
PFF needs to be a little more transparent in how they rate players.
Until they do (and especially not requiring their top-paid package to get that transparency), fewer people will trust their ratings.

(01-11-2022, 06:34 PM)JaggedJimmyJay Wrote: The unfortunate thing, I think, about a process like PFF's is that it is the most valuable for statistics-deprived position groups like offensive line but also [arguably] the least reliable for assessing those same groups. Deciding who won and who lost in OL-DL matchups without a nuanced understanding of the little things being coached on both sides and how a coherent group scheme emerges holistically from the individual matchups -- it tends to result in haywire grades.

Nonetheless, they make an admirable effort. It's certainly better than deciding who the best OL in the league are with the more common criteria:

1) Have I heard this player's name before?
2) Did the running back in this offense gain 1,000 yards?
3) Is their girlfriend hot?

(01-11-2022, 04:41 PM)Nepanyrush Wrote: Yes, Ja"Marr Chase has 11. But for some context, Travis Kelse, Deebo Samuel, and DJ Moore have 10 and even Cooper Kupp has 8 -- not a huge gap. And in 2020, Diontae Johnson had 13 and in 2019 Edelman had 13.

(01-11-2022, 04:35 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Yes but 1-2 memorable blocks doesn't necessarily mean someone is a consistently great blocker.

Heck, we've seen Jackson Carman manhandle guys a couple times, but PFF rates him low because he doesn't consistently perform like that.

(01-10-2022, 11:00 PM)Chip Smallwood Wrote: This plays out pretty consistently with what we saw on the field. This is our core.

Speaking of contracts, I heard on the radio (Tony Pike, I believe) that both Hendrickson and Awuzie have mutual opt-out clauses after this year. I don’t know enough about contracts to confirm. Can anyone else verify?

(01-11-2022, 06:46 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: I'd be all for 'show your work'. 

(01-11-2022, 09:33 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I am no contract expert but mutual seems to say both team and player would have to agree, not just the player

(01-11-2022, 06:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I think Fred makes some valid points though.
PFF needs to be a little more transparent in how they rate players.
Until they do (and especially not requiring their top-paid package to get that transparency), fewer people will trust their ratings.

(01-11-2022, 10:41 PM)basballguy Wrote: While i'm not trying to make a case for PFF grades being wonderful, i'm fairly certain they state somewhere on their site how they grade players.  It's something like each play starts at 0.0 and can go as high as 2.0 or as low a -2.0...been a long time since I've looked at it...i forget what they do with the points after that. 

The problem I have with PFF scoring is they'll hire any basballguy, fredtoast, Truck, or whoever to do the scoring...to them it's simple entry level contract work.  It's not professionally trained sports analysts.  They give you light training and let you do the grunt work for them.  It ends up all being purely subjective to the person doing the grading.  

(01-11-2022, 06:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: So the guys at PFF did not use PFF rankings to decide who was the best?

My what a ringing endorsement of their value.

(01-11-2022, 09:23 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: It wasn’t just 1-2 blocks though. Chase is a very good blocker. PFF just might view Tee as an even better one.