(10-03-2022, 05:07 PM)Joelist Wrote: Basically two things need to happen:

1) Ditch the wide zone run scheme. Our OL (especially the new right side) are optimal at power running so do what you're good at.

2) Whoever is back there need to not dance and just hit the hole fast and hard - no nonsense. Allow one cut at maximum. Actually that is similar to coaching given another back who came into the league and danced too much until Mike Shanahan laid down the law of "one cut max then take off north and south" rule. That RB was Terrell Davis and that coaching caused his career to flourish.

(10-03-2022, 05:12 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: I'm thinking you may well be onto something here. Not sure the wide zone is working good for us? As well as the quit dancing and hit the hole.

(10-03-2022, 07:47 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I think it’s a lot on Joe. Every other back I saw yesterday was head and shoulders above Joe. They don’t all have all world lines. Absolutely nobody runs for zero yards time after time. If he gets 4 yards it feels like he just broke one. It’s amazing the Bengals have any offense with close to zero run game.

(10-03-2022, 09:03 PM)ezekiel23 Wrote: How about the play calling??? I think Joe Mixon has more touches than any running back in the league this year.Each and every time they enter the red zone It’s Mixon on First down.Either handing off or throwing him the ball.And also usually on second,and sometimes third.Teams are teeing off on Mixon because they study film,and know when he’s getting the ball.

It doesn’t hurt to throw on first down sometimes.

(10-03-2022, 08:37 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Joe blows so far, but hopefully he gets it figured out.

(10-03-2022, 11:37 PM)Housh Wrote: Fwiw Perine’s Bama highlights are amazing lol

(10-03-2022, 04:33 PM)LSUfaninTN Wrote: Mixon is done. Average shelf life in the NFL for RB's is 3 or 4 years. Wish he could've stayed on longer, but he's done and it's overwhelmingly obvious. And blaming Burrow or anyone else for "bad handoffs" or not selling the play action fake is absolute BS.

He'll be gone next year, might sign with someone else next season and barely play. But he's done.

(10-04-2022, 07:35 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 44th among qualified RBs in YPC, literally the worst in the NFL.

If you're THAT bad, you can't blame it on others.

(10-04-2022, 08:47 AM)Wyche Wrote: He's been really bad this year for sure.... he's top of the league in attempts too.

(10-04-2022, 07:35 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: 44th among qualified RBs in YPC, literally the worst in the NFL.

If you're THAT bad, you can't blame it on others.

(10-04-2022, 08:45 AM)Wyche Wrote: How so? If you aren't selling the fake, then play action isn't going to work. QB9 isn't some infallible shoe in HOFer. At least not yet. He's got work to do like the rest of them. He played like absolute dog shit week 1. Week 2 wasn't much better. Blaming all of the QBs errors on others is what's absolute BS. Perhaps you need to watch some film on Boomer Esiason to see how play action is supposed to look. Maybe Joe should too. OP is absolutely right, neither Joe is doing very well at that.

(10-04-2022, 09:02 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Saquon Barkley passed him by 2 carries. 2 more carries for 239 more yards, literally more than double Mixon. Lol

I will say that no other qualified RB in the league has less than 3.0 YPC, so Mixon is WAY last. In fact, the 32nd ranked qualified RB is at 4.1 YPC, or 1.4 YPC ahead of Mixon. So it's not just bad but truly terrible on a whole different level.

(10-04-2022, 09:22 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right on

I remember watching the Gruden QB camp thing I dunno?  8 0r 10 years ago ? If memory serves he was critiquing Manziel pre draft. They were going over film of handoffs and play action fakes. Ole Johnny handed the ball off to RB and just stopped and dropped hands and stood there.

Gruden was like NO NO NO. He showed Manziel film of P. Manning handing the ball off and then rolling out faking he still had the ball and going into passing stance. Gruden was like there Johnny, THERE. This is a 10 year vet or whatever, future HOFer and see how hard he's working! See how he's selling it?

Same thing with Joe Mixon on the play action pass. My grandma knows Mixon doesn't have the ball 1/2 step after the fake handoff. On many plays he's not even barely trying to make D think he has the ball !

Am I saying this is 100% the entire problem ? NO Fix this and everything is all better ? NO

I'm simply saying their seems to be a lack of effort on many plays and it's not helping, at all. In fooling the defense. And yes Joe Burrow is guilty as well.

On shotgun handoffs it would help, I would guess, if Burrow put a little more effort into making the D buy that he still has the ball, that's all.

(10-04-2022, 09:04 AM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Oh I for sure believe the lion's share of the problem is Mixon himself ! I'm just trying to figure out what are the contributing factors that perhaps we can fix ?

(10-04-2022, 11:25 AM)higgy100 Wrote: It's going to have to be a combination of both Coaching 101 and working with him on basic fundamentals sprinkled in with a few more carries for Perrine. It's criminal that Perrine did not carry the ball more after his performance in the Jets game.

(10-04-2022, 11:30 AM)Wyche Wrote: I agree, but it's important to note that we were running unbalanced line with an extra lineman during that series. That said, they need to start exploring different options if Mixon continues to struggle.