(09-16-2024, 09:05 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: For the most part, Marvin's teams could play with anybody. This was supposed to be the next step where the Bengals are the standard to be judged against.

(09-17-2024, 11:27 AM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: I would say they have somewhat made that step though.

We no longer suck in Prime Time. Clearly better than Marvin's Era.

We can win playoff games. We're 5-2 in the playoffs in the past 3 years.

Within Burrow's two 'fully' healthy seasons, we won the division back-to-back, and went to the AFCCG back-to-back, once to the SB.

Even last year with a completely unknown QB and a poor defence, we had a winning record and weren't far off making the playoffs.

Other than KC, who's standard has been better? I'd rather have been the Rams (due to a SB win, though let's not forget they went 5-12 two years ago), and you'd have to say the 49ers with 3 straight NFC Champ games and a SB loss, but I'm not sure who else is at a better standard than we've been across those 3 years. 

(09-17-2024, 12:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If I were defining what makes a team a standard of winning to be measured by, the first item on the list would have to be winning against divisional opponents. The Bengals haven't done much of that the past few years.

(09-17-2024, 09:41 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: Still don't understand why everyone is bashing the FO. Chase still has 2 years left on his contract plus the tag if the Bengals want.  They offered 35 APY which is equal to JJ $$.  The only difference is the guarantee and deferring 2/3 of the $$ to later years.  Big deal.  This is a cash flow thing.  btw, you can't compare the Vikings because they are not already escrowing $$ for a QB guarantee.  The Bengals simply don't have the $$.  You can't put $20 of gas in your car if you only have $10 in your checking account.

I love Chase as much as the next person. But if he is going to act like he did this past week every week then it is not good.  When is he going to start complaining about not getting enough touches?  Trust me it's coming as he wants those stats for next years negotiations, which btw will be very ugly because the Bengal FO will have to use their leverage similar to arbitration.  This is going to cause a lot of bad blood for Chase and the organization if it goes into next year (way worse than it is now).  He needs to fire his agent and sign the damn contract.  If he wants to protect himself take out an insurance policy, he did it this year why not longer term.

Sadly, if this goes into next year the Bengals may have to make a decision to seek a trade.  If Chase all of a sudden wants 40M next year I don't see it getting done.  They may as well sign Tee and trade Chase to a team like the Panthers who you know will deliver a great draft pick.

At the end of the day it may end up worse for Chase than it does the Bengals.  If he wants to be the top guarantee money WR he may end up in NFL Siberia to get it.  Wonder if he would want that over staying with a contender.  Maybe?

(09-17-2024, 12:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: If I were defining what makes a team a standard of winning to be measured by, the first item on the list would have to be winning against divisional opponents. The Bengals haven't done much of that the past few years.

(09-18-2024, 08:14 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Ah, remember back a few years ago when Marvin would win the North and go to the playoffs to be one and done, and all anyone said they wanted was a playoff win before they die. Even McMoney can't hit those moving goalposts.

(09-18-2024, 08:14 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Ah, remember back a few years ago when Marvin would win the North and go to the playoffs to be one and done, and all anyone said they wanted was a playoff win before they die. Even McMoney can't hit those moving goalposts.

(09-18-2024, 08:52 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The Zac Taylor led Bengal teams come out flat and have a reputation of being soft, that approach hasn't landed any Lombardi's yet, either.

(09-18-2024, 09:02 AM)Sled21 Wrote: Reputation for coming out flat and finishing strong down the stretch when it counts. And I don't know anyone who would really call the Bengals soft.

(09-17-2024, 01:22 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: I think Burrow won't win a ring without Chase or Tee, and I think he may not win one with only 1 of them at this point.

He is acting like this because he doesn't have a contract and has to take his own insurance policy out for guaranteed money.

I can understand if they "simply don't have the money". Maybe they should have thought of this when Burrow got a huge bag. Seems dumb all around. What was Burrow's plan when he said they had a plan for Chase/Tee/himself?

So if they didn't think about that, then they don't care about winning a ring. It' the same old Mike Brown and Bengals, good enough but not great enough. Someone can try to convince me otherwise that old man Mike Brown wasn't surprised that we made it to the SB. Most people were, even fans, we weren't supposed to be there yet. Has he been focusing on winning a super bowl? What else matters? Like before this, it was clear he was not.

The Bengals face a motivational issue. Starts up top, is MB motivated to win a ring? Then players are having motivational issues, likely financially related. Tee and Chase not being solved is proving a disaster right now. Chase needs to give his 100% for us to win.

We should take responsibility for how we act, Ja'marr and Tee are young, their agents and advisory board is likely poor, but to say nobody has any influence on how they feel would not be right. Bengals ain't making Tee or Ja'marr feel welcome. See how you act at your job when you feel like this.

So did Mike Brown not understand what Tee/Chase are going to ask for when giving Burrow so much money? What was the ***** plan?

(09-16-2024, 03:09 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I know the teams starts out slow.
I know the team is 0-2.  

I don't understand why the Bengal fanbase is surprised each year by the slow start and poor play early in the season.  Whatever the cause, it is who they are & It is what it is.  Just accept it.  

The Bengals are one of maybe 2-3 teams that can and will beat the Chiefs.  Chiefs know this.  Chiefs fans know this.  refs know this.  
But the Bengals will be a force moving forward and once again be one of the team to beat in the playoffs.  

They just have to remain healthy and maybe get a couple IDL.

(09-18-2024, 09:29 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: What does cash flow, or lack thereof, have to do with the owners motivation to wing a ring?  Do you not think the offer to Chase was fair considering the market?  I think it was more than fair considering they didn't even have to negotiate at all.  I would say the fact that the Bengals reached out to Chase's representatives right after last season indicates they were motivated.  Some people may not like how it turned out but that has nothing to do with the Bengals being motivated.  Chase has a role in this also.  He chose not to accept the offer.  The Bengals can't do anything about that.

In terms of Burrow, he was eligible and his offer was at the top of the market and where it should have been when it was negotiated.  QB's get more money period.  By your last statement it sounds like you would have preferred we low-balled Burrow to sign Chase and Tee?  

(09-18-2024, 09:44 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I won't make assumptions for others, but for me personally, some of these early season losses can affect whether they make the playoffs or seeding.
If the Bengals performed the entire year at the level we've expected of them, they should right there with the Chiefs competing for #1 seed.
Might be the difference of 13-4 instead of 10-7, for example. Now maybe they end up having to play the Chiefs in Arrowhead instead of at Paycor in the AFCCG.

It's also just nice to see more wins in general during the regular season because it's...fun.

(09-18-2024, 09:44 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I won't make assumptions for others, but for me personally, some of these early season losses can affect whether they make the playoffs or seeding.
If the Bengals performed the entire year at the level we've expected of them, they should be right there with the Chiefs competing for #1 seed.
Might be the difference of 13-4 instead of 10-7, for example. Now maybe they end up having to play the Chiefs in Arrowhead instead of at Paycor in the AFCCG.

It's also just nice to see more wins in general during the regular season because it's...fun.

(09-18-2024, 03:55 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: I agree it would be better to win and play better.  I know it is quite disappointing.  But, are you surprised?