(12-23-2024, 03:38 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: A lot of the defense needs improved. And both losses were talent related along with some coaching

(12-23-2024, 04:01 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: We were up 21-7 in the 1st half in the 2nd Game. That's not talent related.

Then, once they fumbled...the same exact players that got that 21-7 game played bad.

No doubt the defense needs the talent improved, but we've lost these games for varying reasons. Some were clear talent related losses. Some other reasons.

(12-23-2024, 04:03 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: They didn’t have those problems in previous years. Same coaching staff

It’s a talent thing mainly

(12-23-2024, 04:09 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I think our defense has been below average to bad most years under Lou, but they created turnovers at a higher rate and more sacks.

Last year our defense ranked 31st in yards allowed and 21st in points.

This year, we're 28th in yards allowed and 28th in points.

(12-23-2024, 04:16 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: the talent on defense compared to 21 and 22 is extremely noticeable even if you pull up stats that disagree. The talent on this defense is the issue with this team. They werent losing like this in 21 or 22. Hell, they werent losing like this in 23. 

It. Is. The. Talent. Rankins isnt Reader. Stone isnt Bates. Bell is bad. Pratt is exposed.

your stats on previous years mean nothing. 

(12-23-2024, 04:25 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: IDK Frank, at least two members of the defense have publicly stated that once the defense was "simplified" they started playing better. Seems to me that coaching, and not talent, has the power to complicate/simplify a defensive scheme. (now, they never said what specifically was simplified. That could be the terminology, or the actual duties and responsibilities of defenders)

(12-23-2024, 03:56 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Speaking of OL, I'm not sure how the Denver team financials are looking for this offseason, but Dalton Risner is set to be a FA. He could potentially be an upgrade at LG.

(12-23-2024, 04:49 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Been wanting Dalton Risner for years. Yes please...

(12-23-2024, 05:03 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: hey optimist nathaniel, you gave me a thumbs down(no surprise)

answer me this since you disagree... Has this bengals defense dominated trash offenses and qb's all year long? I mean, they held the pats to 16. Thats good. Giants held to 7, Browns 14, cowboys 20, raiders scored 24, but 14 of those came in garbage time 4th quarter..

tell me where Im wrong, because it looks to me like this defense has created turnovers and beat terrible offenses all year long..

(12-23-2024, 05:24 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Hey Frankie angel, you aren't wrong. Talent is a problem here, but coaching is also a major problem. Lou's Defenses have to rely on turnovers
to be good, otherwise they are terrible. I gave you thumbs down cuz you are an ass hole about it lol

(12-23-2024, 04:28 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: that is such complete PR bull crap that youre buying. This defense has DOMINATED awful offenses ALL YEAR. Oh wow theyre on a 2 game winning streak against trash offenses and now everything is ok? Give me a break. They were talking about simplifying the defense weeks ago, and they still let up so many points to tennessee. 

stop falling for the late season nonsense

(12-23-2024, 05:33 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't think people are saying things are ok. I think literally everyone is talking about how bad the defense is. The question is if it's talent, scheme, mentality, etc.

(12-23-2024, 02:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Both of this is true. If you cannot see the difference in the way the team is playing right now than early in the season I don't know what to say.

Our Defense needs to clean up the tackling, this is the problem. We are still relying on turnovers to win under Lou and this is why he needs to go.

Still, if we somehow make the Playoffs I know the Chiefs and Bills don't want to face a Burrow lead team with an opportunistic Defense.

(12-23-2024, 05:33 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't think people are saying things are ok. I think literally everyone is talking about how bad the defense is. The question is if it's talent, scheme, mentality, etc.

(12-23-2024, 05:45 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Nate I see what you're saying and agree a little bit, but.

The thing is we just got done beating two of the worst teams in the NFL. I'm waayyy far away from being sold that Stone and Bell just flipped on the switch and became top tier defenders again. I'm not sold that Jenkins and Jackson are ready to roll as our starting Dline. The only somewhat decent team we've beat is the Cowboys with a backup QB.

It's smoke and mirrors

If we can move the ball on Denver, a good D. And stop their O and win. I might start believing a bit. Right now I'm highly skeptical that this team - besides of course JB, JC, TH, CB, and Trey are that good. Dead cat bounce

(12-23-2024, 03:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The question wasn't "who would the Ravens prefer to play". The question dealt with what playoff team would fear facing the Bengals right now. I just noticed that the Ravens have a firm lock on the #5 seed, and that is who the Bengals would play should they sneak in.

(12-23-2024, 05:32 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: ok good, so this simplification of the defense excuse is nonsense. They've beat up on bad offenses all year. You dominate another bad offense and suddenly its because the DC changed his philosiphy? It's illogical

(12-23-2024, 05:37 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: and im saying this defense was never this bad in 21 22 or even 23. And all signs are pointing to bad draft picks, and bad free agent pick ups. Doesnt help that Hubbard and Bell fell off a cliff

(12-23-2024, 05:45 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Nate I see what you're saying and agree a little bit, but.

The thing is we just got done beating two of the worst teams in the NFL. I'm waayyy far away from being sold that Stone and Bell just flipped on the switch and became top tier defenders again. I'm not sold that Jenkins and Jackson are ready to roll as our starting Dline. The only somewhat decent team we've beat is the Cowboys with a backup QB.

It's smoke and mirrors

If we can move the ball on Denver, a good D. And stop their O and win. I might start believing a bit. Right now I'm highly skeptical that this team - besides of course JB, JC, TH, CB, and Trey are that good. Dead cat bounce

(12-23-2024, 06:19 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Also points to poor coaching with the poor tackling. This is also a coaching issue, to say it isn't is being ignorant.

Lou is a problem, he had 2 weeks to prepare for a check down stealers Offense and he let them torch us for 44 points.

(12-23-2024, 12:53 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It absolutely tells the story. The story is that good teams find ways to win those close games. It's the NFL, where a majority of games are close.

(12-23-2024, 06:22 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: the tackling was never this bad in 21 22 and 23. It just wasnt. and you should know by now that things get strange in divisional games. How many times has an inferior browns team beat cincinnati? exactly