(10-29-2016, 04:16 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It's chain of command. If a company (team) constantly brings in new employees (players) and gets similar disappointing results, you start looking at management (coaches). If you've been through several supervisors, you start looking at the head manager (head coach). If the owner of the company refuses to look at the head manager, you start looking at him.

Ultimately,  the disappointment of these teams has to fall on Marvin and ultimately, Mike. 0-7 doesn't happen by some odd twist of bad luck.

(10-29-2016, 11:44 AM)Beaker Wrote: Depends on what you mean by actions....baby.

If you mean what most fans cry about on here like "MB doesn't spend the money" BS, then youre part of the problem.
If you mean actions like hiring Bill Tobin and stepping back from over-riding decision in the draft, paying good money to re-sign players that deserve it and perform, and not listening to the knee jerk reactions of the fans, then you are correct.

(10-29-2016, 06:57 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Bill Tobin has been garbage at the draft lately.

(10-29-2016, 04:16 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Ultimately,  the disappointment of these teams has to fall on Marvin and ultimately, Mike. 

(10-29-2016, 08:06 PM)Beaker Wrote: Go away with this stupidity.

(10-25-2016, 10:20 AM)Au165 Wrote: The Bengals have 6.6 million in cap space right now, but Joe Thomas has a 9.5 Million dollar cap hit so we'd have to clear 3 million in cap to even make it possible. Before someone starts throwing out names to cut, realize there are dead money issues associated with many of the vets that would not really clear as much cap as you'd expect. Financially it doesn't appear feasible or smart to do mid year if it requires changing up the rest of the team. Staley has a similar cap number which means he is going to create the same problem.

People like to think things are as easy as call them up and give them a pick. There are a lot of issues associated with trading guys mid season that make it a tough thing to do.

(10-29-2016, 08:11 PM)Beaker Wrote: So you are going with the proof that MB doesn't want to win is because he hasn't fired ML yet? 

(10-29-2016, 03:34 AM)bengalsturntup926 Wrote: Oh yeah sure this isn't Madden can't just tell him to change position. Come off of it, that's why they say Cedric O is really playing out of position he played college at LT. Whitworth has also played guard.Rt is less harder to play then LT because of the pass rushers on the blind side. Whit can move to RT no doubt in my mind.but this is all for nothing because they are determined t make Cedric good win or lose, it's all about making him good.that's why our coaches suck from owner down to paul Alexander. And the way they talked in a article, Paul alexander is in charge of personnel on the o line.

(10-29-2016, 06:55 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Unfortunately the Bengals don't trade for players. If anything they will do a trade for draft picks ala Carson or during the draft like they did for Zeitler by moving down. Even then that is very rare.

(10-29-2016, 11:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Maybe you didn't read my post? I said he wants to win...his way.

(10-29-2016, 08:30 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Ok garbage might have been said out of jest. 

But the drafts last few years have been underwhelming to say the least. 

(10-29-2016, 06:55 PM)Millhouse Wrote: Unfortunately the Bengals don't trade for players. If anything they will do a trade for draft picks ala Carson or during the draft like they did for Zeitler by moving down. Even then that is very rare.

(10-25-2016, 10:20 AM)Au165 Wrote: The Bengals have 6.6 million in cap space right now, but Joe Thomas has a 9.5 Million dollar cap hit so we'd have to clear 3 million in cap to even make it possible. Before someone starts throwing out names to cut, realize there are dead money issues associated with many of the vets that would not really clear as much cap as you'd expect. Financially it doesn't appear feasible or smart to do mid year if it requires changing up the rest of the team. Staley has a similar cap number which means he is going to create the same problem.

People like to think things are as easy as call them up and give them a pick. There are a lot of issues associated with trading guys mid season that make it a tough thing to do.

(10-25-2016, 04:40 PM)Bengal Dude Wrote: If we trade for Joe Thomas or Joe Staley, who is going to play RT?

You can't just flip Whit over to the right side. Thomas and Staley aren't moving over there.

(10-30-2016, 04:32 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Loyalty again cost the team today. They should've replaced Nugent after his dreadful preseason.

Now we're stuck with a 73.7% kicker.

(10-31-2016, 10:29 AM)Au165 Wrote: Kicking across the league is horrible this year. There aren't replacements to be found either or else you'd see a ton of teams making changes. Janikowski shanks two yesterday to almost give the game away, the kid in Tampa has been a dumpster fire all year, Hopkins misses two yesterday against us, the Seattle and Arizona kickers both try to lose the game.

People talk about the lack of quality college players at certain positions, it seems like kicker can be added to that list too because the league as a whole has gotten bad.

(10-31-2016, 10:28 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: I just want to state the obvious here.  Winning is not Mike browns #1 priority.

(10-29-2016, 08:11 PM)Beaker Wrote: So you are going with the proof that MB doesn't want to win is because he hasn't fired ML yet?