(10-16-2015, 12:46 PM)Wyche Wrote:

(10-16-2015, 12:36 PM)djs7685 Wrote: My God, you're still using that terrible nickname that you randomly gave to people? Ugh. That's so bad.

Anyway, you insisted that I was in this group that you made up, yet I had him ranked between 12 and 16. I'm not a calculus major, but I'm pretty sure that 12-16 =/= 22-32.

Wheeeeeeeee, and around we go! I can't wait for more pointless comments that don't refute anything that anybody is saying.

(10-16-2015, 12:47 PM)Johnny Cupcakes Wrote: You're 2 hours and 20 minutes late.  You're fired.

(10-16-2015, 12:54 PM)Wyche Wrote: No.....you didn't say such....you and I were very close in our assessment.   However , there WERE those who said he was a bottom tier QB.  There's no denying that......

(10-16-2015, 01:00 PM)djs7685 Wrote: Understood that there are/were some, but I wasn't one of them. Ever since Andy has been playing well, certain posters have lost their minds around here.

The logic of "Andy playing well in 2015 means that you guys were wrong about him in 2011-2014!!!" is stupid and makes absolutely zero sense. Unless you're pointing that at the total of 4 people that said that he'll NEVER improve, then it doesn't make sense to throw around to guys like myself.

Andy was average from 2011 - 2014. Andy is great right now. Andy playing great doesn't mean I'm wrong about him being average 4 years ago. I don't like when people say stupid things, and that's a stupid thing that people keep saying

(10-16-2015, 01:29 PM)Wyche Wrote: What you're seeing is (although possibly misdirected towards you ) a response to the notion that he was terrible all along and that all of this wasn't just a part of his progression and growing pains.  Some of us felt that was exactly the case.....others said he was doo doo , period.  Well....they were wrong then , and they still are.  I saw things in his play , work ethic , and certain intangibles that led me to believe that he would improve quite substantially over the coming years.  I'd be lieing if I said I asserted that he would ever be elite.  He's playing at the elite level now.....all he has to do is sustain to be in the conversation. 

(10-16-2015, 12:21 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I believe you were called a troll because you called him a top 10 QB before this season started.

He wasn't a top 10 QB before the season started.

(10-16-2015, 02:30 PM)West Union KennyG Wrote: It was September 21st I made the comment based on how he had performed so far and what I saw in him at that point.  Are you still going to argue my assessment was wrong?  

But I do admit, and have said as much on the old boards, that I believe he was much better than people gave credit for last year.  I remember multiple people claiming we should be drafting a QB, and what we have seen in him by now is the most we will see out of him.  I never claimed then (or even just before season) he was top 10 - thought never crossed my mind - but I knew enough to know last year was not a year to evaluate his progress with all the injuries. We limped into the playoffs with a backup RB in the #3 receiver slot, after all.  I know I said this past winter , after the playoff game, that I would wait until this year before making such decisions.  I was far from the label 'homer' in the past, but that just seemed reasonable - and even then, such a common sense approach months later has Proven right.

(10-16-2015, 02:37 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: I'm love what I'm seeing right now, and hoping he can stay near this level for the entire season..and into the postseason.

(10-16-2015, 02:48 PM)djs7685 Wrote: There will be a meltdown like never seen before on Bengals message boards if Andy plays like this for the entire regular season and then implodes in the playoffs. Hell, if he stinks it up in the first primetime game of the year, it's going to get pretty ugly around here.

(10-16-2015, 03:06 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: That's another I kept bringing up on the old board. Postseason success is going to take more than Andy Dalton. AD has to do his part, but this entire team, and coaching staff, has got to step up and stop shitting their pants. 


If the team performs well in the postseason, and Andy is the 'only thing' holding them back, then I have no problem saying he's the problem. But, so far, the problem has been much more that just the QB.

(10-16-2015, 03:06 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: That's another I kept bringing up on the old board. Postseason success is going to take more than Andy Dalton. AD has to do his part, but this entire team, and coaching staff, has got to step up and stop shitting their pants. 


If the team performs well in the postseason, and Andy is the 'only thing' holding them back, then I have no problem saying he's the problem. But, so far, the problem has been much more that just the QB.

(10-16-2015, 02:48 PM)djs7685 Wrote: I think that's at least a fair take, though I don't exactly agree with everything you've said here.

Andy is obviously playing like a top 5 QB this year, but I can't see calling him a top 5/10 guy yet when it has only been 5 games into the season. If we're talking about this year alone, then yes, he's easily top 5 right now.

(10-15-2015, 08:02 AM)West Union KennyG Wrote: You do realize this was sarcasm based entirely on the way you replied to my post earlier right?