(08-21-2019, 12:12 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I just don't get the negative ways especially after the shitty coaching we have seen for years.

I like what i have seen from this coaching staff....

FOR ONCE SINCE WYCHE!!!!

(08-20-2019, 01:28 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: It’s going to be a long year. Too many injured starters already . Oline n Linebackers weak links.

(08-21-2019, 09:53 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: How did a coach (ML) many disrespect do in year one?

https://www.bengals.com/history/years/2002

I will help you, read above. He took a team from 2-14 to 8-8, yet some fans think too much to ask for ZT to take a team from 6-10 to 9 or 10 wins year one? A team decimated by injury to key players in 2018?

It confuses me. If he is incredible as you state, we should expect a 4 to 6 game improvement in my mind.

FYI..Our 1st round pick in 2003 did not start, it was Carson Palmer so lose that excuse also.

(08-21-2019, 12:44 PM)NKURyan Wrote: Gee thanks, dude. I was there. Condescend much?

Yes, Marvin showed instant improvement upon taking control. God bless him for that. It also took him 3 seasons to post a winning season, and he only posted a winning record once in his first 6 years. If that's the standard we're going to hold ZT to then let's go all the way and give him the same benefit of the doubt. Instead we're here saying he has to improve on a hypothetical number of wins that last years team didn't even get close to because hey, maybe they could have, possibly, who knows. Seems fair.

As people love to point out, Zach is taking over a team coming off 3 straight losing seasons. On top of that, last year the Bengals had the worst defense in the league. How anyone looks at that and says "9 wins or he's a failure" is beyond me, and that's not even mentioning how his front office did next to nothing to help him in free agency (compare that to Marvin's first offseason), his star WR is already out and he's lost his first round draft pick for the year (so he's in the same boat as Marvin on that one, no leg up there).

"If he is incredible as you state"? You're pulling a Fred and responding to things people didn't say - show me where I said ZT was an incredible coach. I don't know what type of coach he is going to be and neither do you. All I'm saying is let's give the guy a friggin' chance to get acclimated with a bad team before we go all "playoffs or bust" on the guy.

(08-21-2019, 12:29 AM)Nately120 Wrote: Perhaps some may see calling our most successful coach in franchise history "shitty" and claiming we are instantly going to be better without a guy who at least got our woebegone franchise to the playoffs 6 times in 7 years as being negative.

I'm glad we moved on from Marvin, but the guy won 131 games here and apparently the optimistic take is that Marvin isn't fit to lick the boots of a HC who runs a good practice, compliments the hell out of Bobby Hart, and claims a guy who is going to miss the whole season is "dinged up."  Again, I wish we had moved on from Mavin sooner, but I don't see how me waiting to declare "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" is particularly negative.  



I know I'm not...then again, I'm not convinced ZT is already leaps and bounds better than Marvin.  I expect some sort of growing pains, because as enthused as he and the player and fans are, the guy got a huge promotion to come here.  He's learning on the job.  Thrown into the deep end and so on.  

(08-21-2019, 10:48 AM)3wt Wrote: I'm on the negative wagon here Nate, but I agree with what you say about the coaching staff.   They are the ones that give me the greatest hope for the season.   

I just think we've had too many injuries, I have no confidence in Ross (though I have a pleading hope), the offensive line shows a promise for the future (mostly Williams and Jordan) but is currently unable to get any push in the running game, our line-backing squad could be on the upswing, but is overall too weak and the WR room really has two players we can rely on for sure - and one of them is injured.

Cleveland looks like the real deal, Pittsburgh's offense will be challenged, but they still have a great O-line, QB, RB (I'm a Conner fan), tough and serviceable TEs and decent WRs.  And their defense is good - and improving at the LB and DB position.   I don't know what to think of the Ravens.

I could easily see us getting swept by the north - though I think we'll split with the Ravens.

The bottom line is that we have a lot to overcome.   But there is the chance that if we stay healthy and a few players really pan out (Ross,  Pratt, P. Brown, A. Brown, M. Jordan, Price and whoever plays right guard) - OK that's more than a few - we could have a pretty good season!

(08-20-2019, 01:28 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: It’s going to be a long year. Too many injured starters already . Oline n Linebackers weak links.

(08-21-2019, 01:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I don't disrespect Marv's overall mediocre record, slightly over .500.

But his in game coaching and prime time and Playoff record was abhorrent and if you didn't see this i don't know what to tell you. You trying to pick apart those little things that Taylor and his staff have done is weird to me. None of us know exactly what is going on and complimenting one of your players is not a bad thing especially when in reality Bobby Hart was a better all around OT than Cordy Glenn was last season.

I like what I have seen so far in Taylor, he is nothing like Marv, which to me, is a start.

We need to move on from Marv and from what I have seen Taylor is the perfect guy to start anew, we will see.

(08-21-2019, 02:20 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I'm not picking apart Taylor so much as I'm not seeing the picture that he is the completely opposite of Marvin and getting a HC who is the complete opposite of Marvin is exactly what this franchise needed.  And it goes back to you criticizing me for being negative. I think one could see "Thank god Taylor isn't Marvin" as a negative statement. 

But I get it...it's fandom.  The guys who left were bad and made us bad and the guys we brought in to replace them are good and will make us good.  Hopefully Taylor does well, because we're going to be looking for the opposite of him if he fails, I guess.  But really, going in with this notion that our coaching staff is solid gold could lead to players being thrown under the bus if things don't go great.  Time will tell, I guess.


EDIT - Also, keep in mind that I voted 8-8 and you voted 9-7 in this poll and I"m skeptical of the coach and you think he's the perfect fit.  Wacky.

(08-21-2019, 01:07 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: My apologies if you felt I was attacking you in any way. I have always respected your thoughts and posts.


Right here post #50

"I mean this is the same thread where people are saying "well I think they might have won 9 or 10 games last year if so-and-so doesn't happen", so I don't think it's unfair to point it out. "The 6-10 finish was a 6-10 finish and wasn't 9-7."

Are we really going to call our brand new and incredibly young head coach a disappointment if he doesn't turn a 6 win team with a god awful defense into a 9 win team overnight? I'm just not sure I can buy that, sorry. "

So not sure why you are ranting. I simply pointed out ML improved 6 games with a crappy roster and no production from his 1st round pick in 2003, his first as a HC. BTW, I am rooting for him to be great, but I will believe it when he wins games.

(08-21-2019, 03:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: It is wacky. Taylor is young, energetic, gets pissed when things aren't going right and you don't get why i like this over the old, tired, lethargic, stale dude with his arms folded on the sideline with a WTF look on his face. Honestly am surprised you voted 8 wins with this newbie HC lol

(08-21-2019, 03:07 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote:  Taylor is young, energetic, gets pissed when things aren't going right and you don't get why i like this over the old, tired, lethargic, stale dude with his arms folded on the sideline with a WTF look on his face.

(08-21-2019, 04:35 PM)NKURyan Wrote: Incredibly =/= incredible.

I called our coach incredibly young. You bolded it. That is not even remotely the same thing as saying our new head coach is incredible.

(08-21-2019, 05:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Yep, it is official. I am very old and senile. 

(08-21-2019, 04:40 PM)Nately120 Wrote: I need more than energy and yelling before I assume a super rookie hc can coach rings around a 16 year vet, even if the vet hc is boring and average.

I expect ZT to have some growing pains, that's all.  I'll be interested to see how he reacts when the Steelers punch us in the mouth. Im optimistic, but you seem like you've already got him as our best HC in 30 years.

(08-21-2019, 04:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote:


Silly me.  I have always judged coaches based on their knowledge and teaching skills.  I had not idea it was about being young and not folding the arms.