(12-28-2021, 11:06 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Just curious, but what exactly did Burrow accomplish in his first 4 years of college when he did not have an all-time record number of NFL draft picks starting around him?  *Hint* he was the 12th rated QB in the 14 team SEC his junior year.

And what did he do last year without elite talent around him?

Meanwhile Dalton also went undefeated his senior year and TCU finished ranked #2 in the nation despite Dalton only having 2 other NFL players on the entire team.

(12-27-2021, 09:20 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I am sure you took a lot of flack for this thread. Burrow is definitely a different type of QB though.

You would have to be blind not to see it.

(12-28-2021, 12:17 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Rodgers, Wilson and Watson may all become available for the 2022 season. The off-season QB market will be run by these three more than normal off-seasons because this is a projected weak QB draft class and I don't think that any of the three want to play behind a porous offensive line with a bad defense. Teams with an o-line like that need a veteran with a quick release to help their young and very promising receiver group.

The Dalton haters club can't stand the fact that he is 2-0 in games that he has started against Cincinnati. They may get more chances to hate him in the near future as the Pittsburgh Steelers placeholder QB for two or three years as they build up their line, fix their defense and THEN they can attract a good FA QB or groom Ben Worthlesswigger's eventual real replacement in the next draft or two.

(12-28-2021, 03:42 AM)rankrank1 Wrote: In fairness to Andy his draft year was 2011 and 2011 was the year of the owner lockout if I am not mistaken.  Andy did not have anywhere near the luxury of a traditional offseason workouts or preseason time with coaches that would have been very beneficial to any rookie.  I was always impressed with Andy for doing as well as he did with out that usual prep time his rookie year.

Quote:Fair or not my expectations are way different for a Number 1 overall pick as compared to a rather late 2nd round pick.  Comparing Burrow to Andy is pointless and ragging on Andy serves no purpose at all.  I like Burrow better than any QB to ever wear a Bengal uniform so far.  I am old enough to have seen most of them from Anderson till now.  Kenny Anderson would be my 2nd choice as next best Bengal QB hands down.

(12-28-2021, 12:11 PM)kalibengal Wrote: yes I have....and thanks for the normal response. I felt like I was on a reddit sub and some wanted to down vote me for stating the obvious at least in my mind and many others. I was not looking to bash Dalton , I am only stating my personal opinion after watching this team since 1975 and it just feels different when you have a certain type of of QB and AD was not one of those. ...for me at least.   
I have much respect for what AD brought and he is a class act as we all know....but come playoff time I never got that "vibe" from him being THEEEEE GUY to take us deep onto playoffs and hopefully a SB. Others can disagee with me and thats OK ...we all are entitled to our opinions.
A simple question for the downvoters:   AD or Joe? and if AD PLEASE EXPLAIN

(12-28-2021, 04:07 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Umm…Goff is in his 6th year. Burrow was a captain as a rookie. Now, maybe it doesn’t mean that much since QB’s like your boy Sunshine and Zach Wilson were also named captains as rookies (and both have been completely terrible), but no - - not all rookie QB’s are just automatically captains so they can “control the huddle.” Dalton was not a captain as a rookie. And I only brought it up because Fred argued it wasn’t going to happen with Burrow either. But anyone that was even remotely familiar with him knew he would be.

(12-28-2021, 11:06 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Just curious, but what exactly did Burrow accomplish in his first 4 years of college when he did not have an all-time record number of NFL draft picks starting around him?  *Hint* he was the 12th rated QB in the 14 team SEC his junior year.

Quote:And what did he do last year without elite talent around him?

• Ended rookie season 65.3% completion rate and 89.9 rating. (better than Dalton)
• Ended season on pace to break multiple team and NFL rookie passing records.
• Topped 300 yards passing in five of his 10 starts.
• At the time of his injury was just 97 yards shy of tying then-NFL rookie record of six 300-yard games in a season
• Five 300-yard passing games tied single-season Bengals record
• Became first rookie in NFL history to pass for 300 yards in three consecutive games
• At Cleveland, his 61 attempts were second-most in team history (most in non-OT game), and his 37 completions tied the second-most ever by a Bengal
• Had just the sixth 400-yard passing game by a rookie in NFL history.
• First player in league history (of any experience) to record 400 passing yards, three passing TDs and one rushing TD in a game
  

Quote:Meanwhile Dalton also went undefeated his senior year and TCU finished ranked #2 in the nation despite Dalton only having 2 other NFL players on the entire team.

(12-28-2021, 05:28 PM)Roland Wrote: You're the master of meaningless facts and figures.   Was this a rhetorical question?  Because everyone who is paying attention knows that Joe Burrow created that 2019 LSU team during the 2018 season. 

(12-28-2021, 06:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am a big SEC fan.  I know more about how he played than 99% of the people here who never even heard of him before 2019 (as anything other than a back up at OSU)

If Joe "created the 2019 LSU team in 2018 then why did they lose their last regular season game to Texas A&M?  Wouldn't the 2019 LSU team have won that game?  He failed to throw a single td in 6 of his 13 games.  He failed to throw for 200 yards in 7 of 13 games.

(12-28-2021, 06:53 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Walk the talk "overly relies on stats guy" to belittle other posters. Demonstrate this statement has any truth.

(12-28-2021, 06:53 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Walk the talk "overly relies on stats guy" to belittle other posters. Demonstrate this statement has any truth.

(12-28-2021, 05:28 PM)Roland Wrote: You're the master of meaningless facts and figures.   Was this a rhetorical question?  Because everyone who is paying attention knows that Joe Burrow created that 2019 LSU team during the 2018 season.  He capped it with a Fiesta Bowl win that showed that he was the clear leader and the heart and soul of the team that would win the Championship in '19.

I'll leave this here since you have such a short memory.

• Ended rookie season 65.3% completion rate and 89.9 rating. (better than Dalton)
• Ended season on pace to break multiple team and NFL rookie passing records.
• Topped 300 yards passing in five of his 10 starts.
• At the time of his injury was just 97 yards shy of tying then-NFL rookie record of six 300-yard games in a season
• Five 300-yard passing games tied single-season Bengals record
• Became first rookie in NFL history to pass for 300 yards in three consecutive games
• At Cleveland, his 61 attempts were second-most in team history (most in non-OT game), and his 37 completions tied the second-most ever by a Bengal
• Had just the sixth 400-yard passing game by a rookie in NFL history.
• First player in league history (of any experience) to record 400 passing yards, three passing TDs and one rushing TD in a game
  

Andy Dalton was a good quarterback.  He'll never be a great quarterback.  Joe Burrow could be a great quarterback.

(12-28-2021, 12:17 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Rodgers, Wilson and Watson may all become available for the 2022 season. The off-season QB market will be run by these three more than normal off-seasons because this is a projected weak QB draft class and I don't think that any of the three want to play behind a porous offensive line with a bad defense. Teams with an o-line like that need a veteran with a quick release to help their young and very promising receiver group.

The Dalton haters club can't stand the fact that he is 2-0 in games that he has started against Cincinnati. They may get more chances to hate him in the near future as the Pittsburgh Steelers placeholder QB for two or three years as they build up their line, fix their defense and THEN they can attract a good FA QB or groom Ben Worthlesswigger's eventual real replacement in the next draft or two.

(12-28-2021, 06:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I am a big SEC fan.  I know more about how he played than 99% of the people here who never even heard of him before 2019 (as anything other than a back up at OSU)

If Joe "created the 2019 LSU team in 2018 then why did they lose their last regular season game to Texas A&M?  Wouldn't the 2019 LSU team have won that game?  He failed to throw a single td in 6 of his 13 games.  He failed to throw for 200 yards in 7 of 13 games.

(12-28-2021, 10:34 PM)Tony Wrote: Ya, because, Joe could never work hard and get better. None of your BS means anything..  Kid has over 4000 yards and 30 tds coming of a major injury and you are still talking shit...

(12-28-2021, 03:22 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: No full preseason, just the games, that was the year of the lockout. New offensive coordinator too. Chad was gone, the team was 4-12 the year prior, and a lot of the media were predicting 0-16. There were more similarities than folks remember.

(12-28-2021, 10:40 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You’d almost think that’s kinda his thing…

He went from one of the worst deep ball passers in the league to #1 in one offseason.

(12-28-2021, 10:50 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Yeah there's some revisionist history going on.

Dalton didn't even get a playbook until right before preseason.

(12-28-2021, 11:37 PM)Roland Wrote: Really?  Says who?


"Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Jordan Palmer, right, holds a play book
for rookie quarterback Andy Dalton, center, and receiver Jordan Shipley
during a players organized football workout, Wednesday, June 15, 2011
at the University of Cincinnati in Cincinnati. (AP Photo/Al Behrman)
Al Behrman"



https://www.nfl.com/photos/nfl-player-only-workouts-09000d5d81fd875c#1c529cfe-1fd8-46c9-8280-ad2b521d2dca