(02-08-2023, 08:33 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: It'll be intersting to see what happens. In all likelihood there is no Trade and we pick up the best value at our pick.

But if somehow you can flip Tee for a high pick you can pick a DE, OT, or CB high and then come back and hit the other position or go WR like you suggest.

(02-07-2023, 09:27 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Right. I'm not down with just picking a T because there's one there and we need one. He needs to have potential and be worthy of the spot they're drafting. 

My absolute dream scenario would be that they pick up a RT in FA and then there's a run on a couple positions in the draft and Torrence makes it to 28 and the Bengals take him and Volson could be a solid backup. THEN that would open up rd 2. It would allow Collins to come back slowly from the knee and he would be available late if something happened to whoever was starting. 

I'm literally just now dipping my toe in FA and draft stuff after not paying any attention to it at all during the season. I'm over here in the kiddie pool yelling at you guys in the deep end...

What are the chances Jawaan Taylor hits free agency and the Bengals are interested?

(02-11-2023, 02:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: This is basically where I'm at.  If Broderick Jones out of Georgia is there, then I have no issues with him as the pick. Reaching for Dawand Jones or Wright?   Hell no.  

(02-11-2023, 02:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: This is basically where I'm at.  If Broderick Jones out of Georgia is there, then I have no issues with him as the pick. Reaching for Dawand Jones or Wright?   Hell no.  

(02-12-2023, 01:50 PM)casear2727 Wrote: I'm off Dawand Jones, he simply cannot pull in the run game whatsoever. 

But I'd add Anton Harrison, for sure Darnell Wright, and Jaelyn Duncan.

Of course a younger FA would be much better but does anyone really think we do that?

(02-12-2023, 02:51 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "Draft the player not the helmet". I've already posted several times i'm not on board with that in a vacuum. OSUs skill players hide a lot of their Oline deficiencies. I'm a solid no on Dawand Jones. 

Give me Darnell Wright all day long if they don't get a RT in FA. Fits a position of need, comes from a pass heavy offense and he's solid in the gap scheme. He has a ton of good tape against some of the best EDs in the SEC. 

(02-13-2023, 01:53 PM)Whatever Wrote: I wouldn't touch Wright before Day 3 for the Bengals.  

Yes, we ran more gap-power towards the end of the year last year, but an 11 base offense isn't going to want to primarily use a run scheme better suited for 12 or 21 personell. Much like after they did the midseason shift to the pin and pull a couple of years back, we will likely be back to primarily an inside/outside zone scheme at the beginning of next year.  If we're going T, it has to be a guy with scheme flexibility.

(02-13-2023, 01:53 PM)Whatever Wrote: I wouldn't touch Wright before Day 3 for the Bengals.  

Yes, we ran more gap-power towards the end of the year last year, but an 11 base offense isn't going to want to primarily use a run scheme better suited for 12 or 21 personell. Much like after they did the midseason shift to the pin and pull a couple of years back, we will likely be back to primarily an inside/outside zone scheme at the beginning of next year.  If we're going T, it has to be a guy with scheme flexibility.

(02-11-2023, 02:24 PM)Whatever Wrote: This is basically where I'm at.  If Broderick Jones out of Georgia is there, then I have no issues with him as the pick. Reaching for Dawand Jones or Wright?   Hell no.  

(02-02-2023, 06:10 PM)Whatever Wrote: You have to stick to your board.  You can't just say best T or CB available in the 1st when there are none worth the pick.

(02-14-2023, 11:13 PM)casear2727 Wrote: It is funny you are ok with Broderick Jones who is very athletic but is more raw with less experience (you have a ton of confidence in our oline development?), but you dont mention Anton Harrison, the best pass blocking prospect in the draft.  And you dont like Wright, lol.  Guy is bigger than Jones, athletic and several years of quality starts.

Feel free to tell Goodberry about how terrible Wright is.  PFF mocked him to us at 28 and now Goodberry says that if he tests well at the combine that we wont have a chance at him even at 28.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZIGK-s8SH8

Im also out on Jones.

(02-07-2023, 10:31 PM)WVUHomer Wrote: If you could get him for multi year 10-12M per, I'd do it. Any higher and I'd have hesitation due to upcoming contracts.

(02-15-2023, 01:54 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Jawaan Taylor gave up 5 sacks in 2022.  La'el Collins gave up 5 sacks in 2022.  Jawaan Taylor had a 58.7 PFF grade in 2022.  La'el Collins had a 57.9 PFF grade in 2022.   Taylor doesnt look like any kind of upgrade from Collins and costs a lot more.  I think signing Taylor would be a bad idea especially at 10-12 million a year.

(02-08-2023, 10:50 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I think that more likely would be Collins getting cut and the Bengals using the money that is freed up toward signing a different veteran RT.  Btw, I don't think that you're crazy for wanting to see Jaxon Smith-Njigba drafted by the Bengals.  He would be a fabulous compliment to Jamar Chase, bringing a Tyreek Hill sort of dimension to the offense.  Still going to need that big bodied receiver to replace Tee on those contested catches on the sideline routes, but role players with specific skill sets can be found relatively cheap (in terms of draft slot or free agent contract).

(02-15-2023, 01:54 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Jawaan Taylor gave up 5 sacks in 2022.  La'el Collins gave up 5 sacks in 2022.  Jawaan Taylor had a 58.7 PFF grade in 2022.  La'el Collins had a 57.9 PFF grade in 2022.   Taylor doesnt look like any kind of upgrade from Collins and costs a lot more.  I think signing Taylor would be a bad idea especially at 10-12 million a year.

(02-15-2023, 01:45 AM)Whatever Wrote: Wright is an ok prospect for a team that's 12 and/or 21 personell base.  He's not a good prospect for a team that runs 11 base because a team that runs 11 base will need to run more zone blocking as opposed to gap.  Pollack is a wide zone disciple and zone is what Taylor wants for his offense.  

Scouting services go nuts for giant T's that can't move and only fit in gap schemes every year.  Last year, look at Faalele, who was the consensus #57 overall prospect and rose as high as #39 at one point.  Drafted #110 overall.  GM's do not spend premium draft capital on OL that lack scheme versatility.  Reason being, OL coaches come and go and with it their schemes.  

Wright struggles with speed rushers, which is a concern for a guy who would have to go against TJ Watt and Myles Garrett 2x a year.  Beyond that, his tape shows he struggles with passing off stunts, which is also bad for a guy in the AFCN with the exotic blitzes that the other clubs employ.  He's given up 8 sacks in college, so it's not exactly like the guy is an elite pass blocker, either.  And he's pretty close to topped out with limited upside.  

(02-15-2023, 01:54 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Jawaan Taylor gave up 5 sacks in 2022.  La'el Collins gave up 5 sacks in 2022.  Jawaan Taylor had a 58.7 PFF grade in 2022.  La'el Collins had a 57.9 PFF grade in 2022.   Taylor doesnt look like any kind of upgrade from Collins and costs a lot more.  I think signing Taylor would be a bad idea especially at 10-12 million a year.

(02-15-2023, 01:45 AM)Whatever Wrote: Wright is an ok prospect for a team that's 12 and/or 21 personell base.  He's not a good prospect for a team that runs 11 base because a team that runs 11 base will need to run more zone blocking as opposed to gap.  Pollack is a wide zone disciple and zone is what Taylor wants for his offense.  

Scouting services go nuts for giant T's that can't move and only fit in gap schemes every year.  Last year, look at Faalele, who was the consensus #57 overall prospect and rose as high as #39 at one point.  Drafted #110 overall.  GM's do not spend premium draft capital on OL that lack scheme versatility.  Reason being, OL coaches come and go and with it their schemes.  

Wright struggles with speed rushers, which is a concern for a guy who would have to go against TJ Watt and Myles Garrett 2x a year.  Beyond that, his tape shows he struggles with passing off stunts, which is also bad for a guy in the AFCN with the exotic blitzes that the other clubs employ.  He's given up 8 sacks in college, so it's not exactly like the guy is an elite pass blocker, either.  And he's pretty close to topped out with limited upside.  

(02-15-2023, 01:45 AM)Whatever Wrote: Wright is an ok prospect for a team that's 12 and/or 21 personell base.  He's not a good prospect for a team that runs 11 base because a team that runs 11 base will need to run more zone blocking as opposed to gap.  Pollack is a wide zone disciple and zone is what Taylor wants for his offense.  

Scouting services go nuts for giant T's that can't move and only fit in gap schemes every year.  Last year, look at Faalele, who was the consensus #57 overall prospect and rose as high as #39 at one point.  Drafted #110 overall.  GM's do not spend premium draft capital on OL that lack scheme versatility.  Reason being, OL coaches come and go and with it their schemes.  

Wright struggles with speed rushers, which is a concern for a guy who would have to go against TJ Watt and Myles Garrett 2x a year.  Beyond that, his tape shows he struggles with passing off stunts, which is also bad for a guy in the AFCN with the exotic blitzes that the other clubs employ.  He's given up 8 sacks in college, so it's not exactly like the guy is an elite pass blocker, either.  And he's pretty close to topped out with limited upside.  

(02-15-2023, 05:48 PM)casear2727 Wrote: McGlinchey is not a great pass blocker.  Not a ton of options, you know that if Orlando Brown is the #1 guy the list isn't going to be great.

(02-16-2023, 10:14 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I wouldn't want the Bengals to sign McGlinchey either.  He is overrated and costs too much.  Why would anyone want to pay a guy 15+ million per year when he isn't all that great in pass protection?

As far as Brown, he is much better at LT than McGlinchey at RT.   I think almost everyone would rather have Brown on the O line than McGlinchey.  That is no contest.