(11-17-2023, 10:37 AM)jj22 Wrote: It's time to quit suspending and banning posters for speaking the truth and suspend and ban those posters who demand positivity and dictate which arguments are legit and which aren't. They are the one's that have been wrong more often then not the last two decades. Joe has been hurt. His arm was wrapped a couple weeks ago after the SF game and folks shot down anyone who brought it up for being negative drama queens after a win..... yet we were right once again.

Here's the truth that's been said and it's time for folks around here to face... Joe Luck has the body of a 50 year old. The beatings have taken there toll. He is injury prone, has been yearly since 2016, he can't stay healthy, and it's only going to get worse in the following seasons as his body continues to break down. We are stuck with him for the next 7 years, and these injury issues/story will be repeated over and over again over those 7 years. This contract may end up being worse than the Watson contract.

This team's moment has passed, the window is closed, and we have questions at QB, WR, TE, RB, OLine, DL, CB, S, HC, OC, DC...... Nothing that will be fixed in 1 offseason. A rebuild is needed with some youth and speed. This team looks fat off of "success" and doesn't have the energy or the drive that you seen when they were trying to prove themselves.

We weren't witnessing a dynasty in the making the last two years. This isn't the Brady Patriots or the Mahomes Chiefs. It was the 2009 / 2010 JETS and we all know how that "dynasty" ended.

(11-17-2023, 10:47 AM)Bengalbug Wrote: For the bad OL play yes.  But everyone within the bengals organization is in question.  You need to protect players from themselves.  

I sprained my wrist (above the wrist “bone”, below my pinky) last year that is still not back to full strength .  I went down the X-ray, mri, multiple cortisone shots, etc.  

I had hardly enough strength and stability to hold a frying pan.  Hitting a golf ball sent radiating pain through my arm.  Luckily it was my left, not dominate hand.

This is no small thing, wrists are sooooo tricky with so many bones/ligaments enter twined, especially as you get closer up into the hand, and judging by the swelling this is in that area.  

Considering this is on his throwing hand, and the location of the perceived injury… which you can diagnose the location pretty simply with simple hand movement tests… this was always going to be the outcome.

Long story short, the bad performance of the OL is on Frank.  The decision is on the entire bengals organization.

(11-17-2023, 11:01 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: No, it's not. 

They still have a lot of good pieces and a shit ton of cap room for next year. They can address pieces in FA. 

(11-17-2023, 11:03 AM)jj22 Wrote: Which one of those positions / coaches do we not have questions about?

Did you see how slow the team looked? 

Did you see the lack of energy and confidence? Drive and urgency the last two weeks? They look like they've arrived, they don't look like they are out to prove themselves. You can see that in their body language and their play compared to opposing teams. 

Opposing teams with less talent are playing up, above their potential. Backups! Bengals act like those teams should treat them like teams treated the Patriots going in feeling defeated. It ain't working. Bengals aren't playing like they are hungry. They are playing  fat and full and entitled to victory based on reputation.

and they are getting their lunch handed to them in the process.

(11-17-2023, 11:17 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Man, what are you even talking about? 

Everyone was flying high on this team just two weeks ago. Now we lose two straight (without some of our best players) and everyone wants to blow it up? 

Sorry, but thats an overreaction. Do I think this team has some holes? Yes - mainly the OL and that unit and a couple pieces on defense. You can add to it though and fix it. The window is certainly not "closed". 

(11-17-2023, 10:37 AM)jj22 Wrote: It's time to quit suspending and banning posters for speaking the truth and suspend and ban those posters who demand positivity and dictate which arguments are legit and which aren't. They are the one's that have been wrong more often then not the last two decades. Joe has been hurt. His arm was wrapped a couple weeks ago after the SF game and folks shot down anyone who brought it up for being negative drama queens after a win..... yet we were right once again.

Here's the truth that's been said and it's time for folks around here to face... Joe Luck has the body of a 50 year old. The beatings have taken their toll. He is injury prone, has been yearly since 2016, he can't stay healthy, and it's only going to get worse in the following seasons as his body continues to break down. We are stuck with him for the next 7 years, and these injury issues/story will be repeated over and over again over those 7 years. This contract may end up being worse than the Watson contract.

This team's moment has passed, the window is closed, and we have questions at QB, WR, TE, RB, OLine, DL, CB, S, HC, OC, DC...... Nothing that will be fixed in 1 offseason. A rebuild is needed with some youth and speed. This team looks fat off of "success" and doesn't have the energy or the drive that you seen when they were trying to prove themselves.

We weren't witnessing a dynasty in the making the last two years. This isn't the Brady Patriots or the Mahomes Chiefs. It was the 2009 / 2010 JETS and we all know how that "dynasty" ended.

(11-17-2023, 01:44 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Lol, IF that was true that would mean that either Burrow was wearing a wrist brace for fashion on the same wrist he ended up hurting, or Zac is completely unaware of what's going on with his own franchise QB.

(11-17-2023, 11:17 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Man, what are you even talking about? 

Everyone was flying high on this team just two weeks ago. Now we lose two straight (without some of our best players) and everyone wants to blow it up? 

Sorry, but thats an overreaction. Do I think this team has some holes? Yes - mainly the OL and that unit and a couple pieces on defense. You can add to it though and fix it. The window is certainly not "closed". 

(11-17-2023, 11:17 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Man, what are you even talking about? 

Everyone was flying high on this team just two weeks ago. Now we lose two straight (without some of our best players) and everyone wants to blow it up? 

Sorry, but thats an overreaction. Do I think this team has some holes? Yes - mainly the OL and that unit and a couple pieces on defense. You can add to it though and fix it. The window is certainly not "closed". 

(11-17-2023, 12:06 PM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: Yeah agree with this. We've had our QB fairly injured for 5 of our 10 games, and we're still 5-5. In the games he's clearly been close to 100%, we've gone 4-1. The schedule here on out was tough, but we would've been in those games by and large. The secondary has been the drop off for me, a year extra experience for those guys in itself should see that group improve, and I'd like to see us add to it in the offseason.

OL Im not convinced we'll ever fix, feels like we've been trying for a decade plus at this point. We also need to find a run game from somewhere.

(11-17-2023, 11:17 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Man, what are you even talking about? 

Everyone was flying high on this team just two weeks ago. Now we lose two straight (without some of our best players) and everyone wants to blow it up? 

Sorry, but thats an overreaction. Do I think this team has some holes? Yes - mainly the OL and that unit and a couple pieces on defense. You can add to it though and fix it. The window is certainly not "closed". 

(11-17-2023, 11:08 AM)sloSTI Wrote: Now the league is looking into why they didn't list Burrow on the injury list, but people are saying it's an IPad glove, so I don't know

(11-17-2023, 12:08 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: People are overreacting. The bengals aren’t 5-5 if Burrow starts the year healthy. They’re most likely 7-3 or better. So when Burrow is healthy, this is still a 1st place tier, absolute playoff team

But people won’t relax and use their brain

(11-17-2023, 12:08 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: People are overreacting. The bengals aren’t 5-5 if Burrow starts the year healthy. They’re most likely 7-3 or better. So when Burrow is healthy, this is still a 1st place tier, absolute playoff team

But people won’t relax and use their brain

(11-17-2023, 12:11 PM)TheCincinnatiKid Wrote: Yep I agree. Like I said Burrow has been quite clearly limited in 5 of our 10 games. We're 4-1 when he looks like he's not struggling with the calf this year. The idea we've 'fallen off a cliff' is just silly. The defence has certainly regressed though, im not saying we're as good as we were last year, but we'd have certainly been in the division race etc.

(11-17-2023, 12:08 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: People are overreacting. The bengals aren’t 5-5 if Burrow starts the year healthy. They’re most likely 7-3 or better. So when Burrow is healthy, this is still a 1st place tier, absolute playoff team

But people won’t relax and use their brain

(11-17-2023, 12:14 PM)jj22 Wrote: The problem is Burrow will never be healthy! That is what folks seem to be slow to realize. He's injury prone and has been injured every year since 2016.

Sure if Burrow's health could be trusted he will cover for all those issues. The problem is we'll be saying if Burrow is healthy for the next 7 years ....