(12-14-2024, 11:22 AM)samhain Wrote: I get it, but that's easier said than done.  Their return on investment for spending in the trenches has been piss poor lately.  They invested a number 1 pick in Murphy and only recently felt the need to give him a meaning full number of snaps.  2 years in and we still have no idea what he is.  Rankins wasn't exactly cheap, either, and he looks completely done.  I have hope for Jenkins and maybe Jackson, but both have a lot to prove yet.

You can say similar things about the DBs.  That situation is probably even worse.  They've invested a 1st and 2 2nd rounders in the secondary.  At worst, all 3 of those guys should be solid starters if they lived up to expectations.  That's far from the case.  They failed to find a position for Hill for 3 years.  Taylor Britt is brain broke.  Turner is decent but not playing.  These guys were supposed to be the future of the defense.  Throw in FA investments like Scott and Stone and you have nothing but misses over the last few years.  

Tee is a known.  There's no doubt that he's a major asset when out there.  Could they get by with Ja'marr and some dudes?  Probably, but you have to think that they team is going to view his absence as a hole to be filled in the draft or FA.  That's less capital for more defensive upgrades.  Sign Tee and you can go nuts on defense in the draft and with remaining FA money.  

You spend that money on Tee and you know what you're getting.  Spend money on something else and there's significant risk of getting magic beans in return.  I'm okay with spending on knowns. They're in the position we see them in now for letting go of known veterans.  

The defense IMO is a cultural problem.  They need a new leader on the field and at coordinator.  Shitty tackling is absolutely a culture issue.  Bad communication on the back end is as well.  I they aren't willing to gut those areas, then we're in for more of the same.  You need new personel, but personnel investments will fall flat if the underlying issues aren't addressed.  Stone and Rankins should tell us that.  They were not chopped liver FAs.  Not until they became Bengals, anyway.  

(12-13-2024, 06:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Nice post Ell Prez. Makes a lot of sense, I like it.

(12-14-2024, 01:12 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: you spend money on tee Higgins you are getting a receiver that has chronic hamstring problems..misses one third of the games 

(12-14-2024, 01:56 PM)Synric Wrote: Tee Higgins missed 4 games total because of injury in his first THREE seasons. He has missed games the last two years but his injury history is slightly overblown. You can tell because people are resorting to using snap percentages for him when Zac Taylor rotates his receivers. Both of his last two years have been contract years where players are less likely to play through minor things like hamstrings. 

(12-14-2024, 02:00 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Tee Higgins is injury prone. There’s no overreacting

(12-14-2024, 02:04 PM)Synric Wrote: JaMarr Chase has missed the same amount of games in his first three years because of injury as Tee Higgins did in his first three years. 

(12-14-2024, 02:12 PM)Synric Wrote: 5 games total his first 3 years and yes he has missed more in Two contract years with minor injuries he probabaly could have played through if he had been paid. AJ Green did something similar in 2018 or 2019 in his final contract year in Cincy. 

(12-14-2024, 02:15 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: You’re not even thinking about the games where Tee leaves early because he got an ouchy. Just pencil in Tee for missing 4 games and leaving another 2-3 games early

(12-14-2024, 02:04 PM)Synric Wrote: JaMarr Chase has missed the same amount of games in his first three years because of injury as Tee Higgins did in his first three years. 

(12-14-2024, 02:25 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Stop this.

Ja'Marr Chase snaps played
2021: 85.44%
2022: 71.64%
2023: 81.80%
*2024: 91.51%

Tee Higgins
2020: 74.81%
2021: 64.60%
2022: 68.38%
2023: 52.67%
*2024: 50.00%

Higgins has had a hamstring injury every year for the last SIX STRAIGHT YEARS. He leaves games early a lot, he plays lesser workloads due to nursing injury a lot. He's also had in the NFL two ankle injuries, a rib injury, a shoulder injury, a quad injury, and a concussion.

(12-14-2024, 02:29 PM)Synric Wrote: Snaps. Again Zac rotates his WRs he liked to bring in blocking receivers when he had them. Stanley Morgan Jr, Auden Tate,  Michael Thomas, and Trenton Irwin.

Quote:Higgins has had a hamstring injury every year for the last SIX STRAIGHT YEARS. He leaves games early a lot, he plays lesser workloads due to nursing injury a lot. He's also had in the NFL two ankle injuries, a rib injury, a shoulder injury, a quad injury, and a concussion.

(12-14-2024, 02:36 PM)Synric Wrote: You cannot use snaps because of the WR rotation just like you couldn't use snaps for DJ Reader because of the DT rotation.

(12-14-2024, 09:54 AM)Ell Prez Wrote: Great post. I’ve wanted to trade tee for assets (draft and cap). And I haven’t done the research but this is the main reason I would want to keep Tee. Are there any FA defensive players out there worth a $25M-30M year deal? If not, then my opinion shifts a little, a little closer to 50/50 on what to do. Idk I need to look at 2025 FA lists. And we also have to realize those players could still be retained by their team.

(12-13-2024, 05:52 PM)J24 Wrote: Who the F actally likes Green Bean casserole? That's an awful conmmparison.  Tee is more like great stuffing. If you have regular box stuffing then it's just ok but if you do it right then it's an essential part of the feast.

(12-14-2024, 01:10 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: you should be concerned about what Higgins makes..you simply cannot pay a quarterback and two receivers one third of  NFL allowed salaries for the team..Tee Higgins makes some brilliant catches..but as it stands now he has a chronic injury..he misses many games and on many occasions drops easy passes..This keeping Tee Higgins talk is nonsense

(12-14-2024, 02:58 PM)Whatever Wrote: Tee is miles from essential.  If nobody makes green bean casserole, some may be a little disappointed.  If nobody makes stuffing, everyone is like WTF.

Dude is hurt too much to be essential.