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RE: Troy Walters - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 01-09-2025
(Yesterday, 04:52 PM)jj22 Wrote: Someone asked earlier in the thread if Walters gets credit for Chase and Tee and I think we got our answer.
Should he not? These guys, especially Chase were great right out of the bat, but they HAVE improved as WR's under Troy Walters...
RE: Troy Walters - Essex Johnson - 01-09-2025
(Yesterday, 02:23 PM)jj22 Wrote: I'm trying to find out why we have no WR after 4 years outside of Chase and Tee. Two receivers that came in as "no brainer picks" according to some given their talent and not real need to "develop" outside of experience and being pros.
Now Yoshi is debatable.
But guys. In theory in 6 years this Offense hasn't produced any receivers outside of the top 2 highly drafted players. Given those players it can be excused, but it should be legitimately discussed. Is that good? Are we ok with that? Isn't this worthy of discussion given we have to now break the bank on Higgins instead of a defensive star or to OG?
You probably answered your question, we have not prioritized WR position because of Chase and Higgins. I still like you to address 2 wrs we drafted last 2 years, jones and burton, are saying Walters is at fault for these 2 and you do understand that since Chase , we have only drafted The three mentioned and the one not hurt or a cluster of trouble meaning Yosi has developed as a 6th round pick..
RE: Troy Walters - jj22 - 01-09-2025
(Yesterday, 05:48 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: You probably answered your question, we have not prioritized WR position because of Chase and Higgins. I still like you to address 2 wrs we drafted last 2 years, jones and burton, are saying Walters is at fault for these 2 and you do understand that since Chase , we have only drafted The three mentioned and the one not hurt or a cluster of trouble meaning Yosi has developed as a 6th round pick..
He hasn't developed any of the UDFA or practice squad players either. Which some of the coaches dismissed / been criticized around here at least have. We have had receivers outside of Chase, Tee and Yoshi on the roster believe it or not.
Look I get he "developed" Chase from Great to Greater. Tee from good to gooder.
Hobby got career years out of Trey, Hill, Reader, etc but that didn't stop the board from calling for his head.
Bettcher got career years out of Pratt and Wilson. Developed UDFA's. That didn't stop him from getting fired.
I'm not arguing these coaches shouldn't have been let go. I'm arguing Walters gets a bye around here and maybe we should be more critical. How quick we forget the whining around here when Tee is injured and no one can step up outside of Chase. Now me saying something shouldn't cause everyone to have amnesia. I get people hate to hear things from me, but blatant amnesia.... That's doing to much to avoid reality.
Reality is we are in this position (needing to re-sign Tee) because we have no other choice. And we can blame Tobin for the lack of talent, but that didn't save the other coaches the criticism around here.
RE: Troy Walters - jj22 - 01-09-2025
And yes the defense got a lot of picks but only in 2023 and 2024 did they commit to the Dline. And those 2024 high (if you folks are counting 3rd round picks) picks developed.
Before that they were drafting 3rd and 4th rounders just like they did with the receiver room.
Interestingly enough they really committed to the secondary with those high picks on defense and those coaches remain.
RE: Troy Walters - Essex Johnson - 01-09-2025
(Yesterday, 06:29 PM)jj22 Wrote: He hasn't developed any of the UDFA or practice squad players either. Which some of the coaches dismissed / been criticized around here at least have. We have had receivers outside of Chase, Tee and Yoshi on the roster believe it or not.Your argument just does not hold much water when your main arguments are practice squad and udfa players that across thecuear rarely become regular starters...moving on nothing let to say
Look I get he "developed" Chase from Great to Greater. Tee from good to gooder.
Hobby got career years out of Trey, Hill, Reader, etc but that didn't stop the board from calling for his head.
Bettcher got career years out of Pratt and Wilson. Developed UDFA's. That didn't stop him from getting fired.
I'm not arguing these coaches shouldn't have been let go. I'm arguing Walters gets a bye around here and maybe we should be more critical. How quick we forget the whining around here when Tee is injured and no one can step up outside of Chase. Now me saying something shouldn't cause everyone to have amnesia. I get people hate to hear things from me, but blatant amnesia.... That's doing to much to avoid reality.
Reality is we are in this position (needing to re-sign Tee) because we have no other choice. And we can blame Tobin for the lack of talent, but that didn't save the other coaches the criticism around here.
RE: Troy Walters - jj22 - 01-09-2025
My main argument is why fire Hobby, Blettcher and not him if the argument is development and the excuse is talent.
I’ve sprinkled in that Chase and Tee were supposedly can’t miss picks said by many on this board to question why then the credit for their development.
But my main argument is he gets a pass when we desperately needed players to develop enough to take Boyd’s place let alone Tee’s.
The failure isn’t only in replacing Tee it’s replacing Boyd too. The wr position group as a hole has to improve. We have Chase and even if we have Tee for the future we have to work around him missing time. And I guess I’m the only one that remembers how no receiver could help Chase when Tee was out.
RE: Troy Walters - jj22 - 01-09-2025
The good point people highlighted was the lack of urgency to replace Tee and Boyd in the draft given how long they knew they weren’t going to re-sign them.