(04-09-2021, 07:27 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I like a wide range of receivers that is for sure but they is because a wide range of receivers can succeed in the NFL.

Think about when we had Chad, TJ and Henry. Three different play styles and builds and route trees and all 3 added a demention to the offense. Variety in your WR Corp and getting the most out of each creates tons of issues for the defense. 

(04-09-2021, 05:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The problem whenever people bring this up is that they look at the average and see what they perceive to be a minuscule difference...but that time is an average.

In reality it means that the best lines offered the following times on passes:

Team A:
3 seconds
2 seconds
3 seconds
5 seconds
3 seconds

While the bad line offered these times:

Team B for Bengals:
2 seconds
4 seconds
2 seconds
3 seconds
2 seconds

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The average time difference here would be 0.6 seconds...but what if we say those 2 second times were all sacks or blown up plays? Team A only had one of those, while team B had 3 of them. What if the 5 second time was a big play down field? Team A had one, while team B couldn't get the time needed.

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To your second bolded point, that's exactly the thing though. We don't need a WR1. We need to fill in the back end. We also need a speed guy who can take the top off, but it doesn't have to be a 1000 yard guy. We already have 2 guys capable of producing 1000 yards. We just need speed. A Chris Henry type of player.


How did our time to throw stat rank? If we had less time to throw than most teams, wouldn't that have a major impact on our average separation?

Less time to throw = less time to run = less separation.

(04-10-2021, 01:19 AM)BobJohnson55 Wrote: I get what you are saying but not all receivers turn out any good like they did in college. I dont like all them receivers. ones I would take a chance on is wallace, dynami brown in the 2nd. I dont even like the other guy from Lsu that much,he got injured during that good season. There's a couple in the 3rd Marquez stephenson and a couple others I have a hard time with names. But are they going to be good as chase? I dont think so. Chase is like a faster anquan boldin coming out who's been tested by top corners,and has been under the bright lights of a national championship.  

I also look at what these players look like and their personality, I try to see what their fans say about them in the comments. 

Edit- ihrmir smith looks good, seth Williams could be a steal,tomorrian Terry is a guy I'd take a chance on if we double dipped. But for 1 if we are taking Sewell , will the bengals actually pick the right guy/guys who can make us good. Or will they pick the wrong guys and our offense isn't that good to win now. Then we'd have to wait another 365 days to try to upgrade receiver again.

And people will come at me saying the same about o line ,but getting rid of turner was the biggest move. We added reiff and the guard that helped us out last year,adenji showed some things also last year. Plus its deep on o line talent through the 2nd and 3rd round. This is where my logic comes from.

(04-10-2021, 02:05 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: It is all about how you view the prospects.

Again, there isn't a bad choice among the three, but every time I look at the potential round 2 WR's vs the round 2 OL... I just go blah at the OL names.

If Vera Tucker was there, or Carman, or Cosmi, then you are alright.

But we will be looking at options like:

Teven Jenkins - who isn't a good fit for out scheme and may not be a good fit for anyone based on the offense he played in.

Walker Little - Played 1 game in 2019 before getting injured then opted out. 2 years, no football... that is a hard pass.

Dillon Radunz - I like this kid, but it is a gamble taking a guy from North Dakota State in round 2 and hoping he holds up against AFCN D lines.

Alex Leatherwood - This guy hurt his draft stock this season. He didn't play with an attitude that you want in an OL and he doesn't finish blocks. There is just something about the lack of attitude and effort, makes me think of Bobby Hart. Maybe he turns out great, but I'm not a fan.

Liam Eichenberg - Not athletic and struggles with speed rushers. Also, a reach at 38. Most reports on him are that he is solid and steady and technically sound, but he is playing at his ceiling.

All of the above are LT's as well. So you draft them at 38 and immediately are playing the shuffle game on the Oline, which is why most people are against Sewell.

The IOL guys in round 2 would be:

Wyatt Davis - Coming off an injury. We don't have much luck with drafting injured players.

Kendrick Green - A converted DL, who is a reach at 38

Trey Smith - an imposing G who is projected round 3.

Quinn Meinerz - love this kid, but again, 38 is too soon. Round 3, love it.


There is a drop off in talent from round 1 to round 2 at every position group.. it's how the draft goes. 

I just look at the team and think what position group can you handle a slighted flawed guy out there? Do you want a guy that is flawed protecting your franchise or a guy that is slightly flawed as your #3 WR?

That is why I've been big on Sewell. The flaws on Toney, or Dyami Brown, or Marshall, or either Moore is easier to hide and less damaging. Clean pocket and no one open? Throw it away. Guys open, no pocket - sacked.

"Protect ? Your ? Quarterback ?" - @Hawk#Bengals #NFLDraft #TeamSewell pic.twitter.com/5AQ8jfMhcr

— Future MVP Joe Burrow (@FauxJeaux) April 9, 2021

(04-10-2021, 02:27 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Somewhere among the pages of this thread there is opinions from Munoz, Jeff Saturday and Willie Anderson about drafting Sewell. Everyone said, of course the O-line guys want O-line.

Well, wanted to toss this out here:

Former Bengal WR saying take Sewell. If not Sewell, Pitts. Smart man.

"Protect ? Your ? Quarterback ?" - @Hawk#Bengals #NFLDraft #TeamSewell pic.twitter.com/5AQ8jfMhcr

— Future MVP Joe Burrow (@FauxJeaux) April 9, 2021

(04-10-2021, 02:55 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I mean, we can find guys on either side. Here’s Jim Mora Jr saying we should take Chase...

https://youtu.be/QhoU6h29Qjo

(04-10-2021, 03:10 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Geoff Hobson is on team Sewell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZfv8WLe2_M (2:38 mark)

"You guys know when this team was at it's best. It was when Levi was at left and Willie was at right. It's when Whitworth was at left and Andre was at right."

Tbh, there's way more people in the media that are on team Sewell. I've only seen one guy (just now) saying to pick Chase. There's been countless guys saying we should pick Sewell.

(04-10-2021, 01:50 AM)Whatever Wrote: It is an average, but it's an average taken over hundreds of snaps, not just 5.  And again, the point remains, no QB is consistently getting 4 seconds to just stand back there and survey the field.  

For this discussion, we also must include pressure % and sack % since a QB getting the ball out quick can drop his average time to throw and make the OL look better or worse as a result.  Burrow was tied for 26th in Time to Throw, was 13th in Pressure %, and 10th in Sack %. None of those is good, however, none represent the "worst OL in the NFL" narrative that gets tossed around these boards, either.  However, compare those rankings to the fact that he had the 5th worst expected completion percentage in the league and threw the 3rd highest percentage of passes to targets with a defender within 1 yard of them, it highlights just how bad that WR corps was.  

More time to throw doesn't necessarily mean more separation for the receiver.  The reason for this is simple.  You have a CB who runs 4.5 in the 40 covering a WR who runs 4.45.  If the WR gets separation on his initial break from the CB, he hypothetically will continue to accelerate away and in that case create more separation if the OL can give the QB an extra tenth or two to hold the ball and create an easier throw.  Problem is, the inverse is also true.  If a WR that runs 4.55 gets the same separation on the same route against the same CB, the CB will run him down and close the distance the longer the QB holds the ball.  Our WR corps is painfully slow by NFL standards, which means a lot more of the latter than the former.

(04-10-2021, 03:20 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Which means knowing the Bengals... we will pick Chase.

Then, Williams and XSF will get hurt in pre-season or week 1 and by week 4 all the "Team Chase" people will be screaming about how bad the line is when Michael Jordan is out there at G, and Fred Johnson is playing T. 

Meanwhile our 2nd round pick will be an Edge rusher because Tobin has "starter grades on 2nd and 3rd round OL" and the guy we took in 3, won't be ready to go. 

And then at season ends the entire board will spend a month or two saying OL is horrible and must be the focus, and then as the draft nears, half the board will fall in love with some CB or Edge, or another WR or TE or something, and talk about the depth of the OL class. 

Even the year we took Jonah, most people on the board where actually super excited that we were going to draft Bush for our LB corp. At some point, you just have to commit to fixing it, and really commit to it. Take the best guy on the line and don't look back, then double dip on the C from Whitewater in 3.

(04-10-2021, 03:10 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Geoff Hobson is on team Sewell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZfv8WLe2_M (2:38 mark)

"You guys know when this team was at it's best. It was when Levi was at left and Willie was at right. It's when Whitworth was at left and Andre was at right."

Tbh, there's way more people in the media that are on team Sewell. I've only seen one guy (just now) saying to pick Chase. There's been countless guys saying we should pick Sewell.

(04-10-2021, 03:35 PM)Whatever Wrote: But will we have enough cap space to sign Sewell according to Hobson?

(04-10-2021, 03:35 PM)Whatever Wrote: But will we have enough cap space to sign Sewell according to Hobson?

(04-10-2021, 03:20 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Which means knowing the Bengals... we will pick Chase.

Then, Williams and XSF will get hurt in pre-season or week 1 and by week 4 all the "Team Chase" people will be screaming about how bad the line is when Michael Jordan is out there at G, and Fred Johnson is playing T. 

Meanwhile our 2nd round pick will be an Edge rusher because Tobin has "starter grades on 2nd and 3rd round OL" and the guy we took in 3, won't be ready to go. 

And then at season ends the entire board will spend a month or two saying OL is horrible and must be the focus, and then as the draft nears, half the board will fall in love with some CB or Edge, or another WR or TE or something, and talk about the depth of the OL class. 

Even the year we took Jonah, most people on the board where actually super excited that we were going to draft Bush for our LB corp. At some point, you just have to commit to fixing it, and really commit to it. Take the best guy on the line and don't look back, then double dip on the C from Whitewater in 3.

(04-10-2021, 03:46 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Why wouldn't we?

(04-10-2021, 03:48 PM)impactplaya Wrote: So your saying if the Bengals choose Sewell then.Tobin is 
Brillant but if the Bengals draft Chase then he doesnt care
About the oline?

Drafting Sewell alone isnt going.to.fix this oline.
Coaching and health you have to.factor in. 

All these Sewell fans act like he is only olineman.in this 
Draft that can step in and play right away. 

Why do.you think.the Bengals will pick a edge rusher 
Over a olineman in RD 2?

(04-10-2021, 03:07 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Jim Mora also said the Jets should stay with Darnold and take Sewell at 2 calling him a future Hall of Famer...

"Mora sung the praises of Oregon's Penei Sewell, claiming New York would be getting a future Hall of Famer if they picked the tackle at No. 2."

https://www.si.com/nfl/jets/news/former-head-coach-jim-mora-new-york-jets-need-to-address-offensive-line-nfl-draft-sewell-vera-tucker