(04-10-2021, 03:35 PM)Whatever Wrote: But will we have enough cap space to sign Sewell according to Hobson?

(04-10-2021, 04:19 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: But if Mora said he’d take Chase (for the Bengals) even after singing Sewell’s praises that much what does that tell you?

(04-10-2021, 04:19 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Literally nobody is questioning how good Sewell is. But if Mora said he’d take Chase (for the Bengals) even after singing Sewell’s praises that much what does that tell you?

(04-10-2021, 04:27 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: That he assumed Sewell is gone at 2 to the Jets?

(04-10-2021, 04:25 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: That his opinion is all over the place, and that he can't be trusted.

(04-10-2021, 04:19 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Literally nobody is questioning how good Sewell is. But if Mora said he’d take Chase (for the Bengals) even after singing Sewell’s praises that much what does that tell you?

(04-10-2021, 05:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That he doesn't know the Bengals and is drafting for a need that is not there. He said we currently have no outside threat at WR. 

(04-10-2021, 05:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: That he doesn't know the Bengals and is drafting for a need that is not there. He said we currently have no outside threat at WR. 

(04-10-2021, 06:02 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Good luck trying to educate the thick head masses. Does JB throw the deep ball well? Answer is, no! Does JB have time to survey the field and attempt a deep throw? Answer is , no to barely.

Ts, we could have Randy Moss in his prime running the 9 and it wouldn't help the offense. The CB across from the "field stretcher" for Cincy already knows he's in for an easy day. He may see 2-3 passes thrown in his direction all day. One of which is more than likely going to be an easy int.

Now, JB can probably throw a better deep ball, but he needs a little time to see the field. Ts, convincing the " if we don't draft Chase the world is over crowd", is a damn near impossible goal here.

(04-10-2021, 06:19 PM)PDub80 Wrote: The Bengals have literally no one to take the top off of a defense and haven't fir years. I see WR as a huge need for the Bengals. Right now, the roster sits at: Higgins, Boyd, Tate, Thomas, Morgan

That is NOT good. Who do you have as the Bengals outside WR threat? Higgins got 2.5 yards separation per catch last year and doesn't have the extra gear to run away from guys. Who is the downfield threat for the Bengals?

(04-10-2021, 03:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I don't see how that changes anything. In fact it makes it worse, as these types of impactful snaps (negative and positive) pile up over the course of hundreds of snaps.

To the rest, the time to throw is really what you want to focus on, because the other two stats can be majorly influenced by the offense making short throws to offset pressure. Which is something that will ALSO have a major impact on how much separation our receivers get on average.

26th in time to throw sounds about right. Our line was awful. "It wasn't the worst" isn't what you really want to hang your hat on, is it? Throw Sewell at RT, bump Reiff inside, draft a speed guy in round 2 or 3, and we should see MAJOR improvement.

You are right that time to throw doesn't necessarily = separation, but you want to know what it does mean? Burrow having more time to scan his receivers to see who got the most separation. If he's having to target the first guy he sees because he has no time, that guy is more likely to be covered...which will drag down that separation stat. If he can scan his targets more often, the stat improves. Simple.

(04-10-2021, 06:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It was 2.6 yards of separation, which was 0.1 more than Justin Jefferson. Do you think Jefferson is a possession receiver?

Btw, this guy should be available in round 2, runs a 4.38 and is 2" taller than Chase:

(04-10-2021, 06:47 PM)Whatever Wrote:
1. With a larger sample size, the variations don't have to be as extreme as the small sample size you used to arrive at the same average.  Your percentages of negative plays are also off in your example.  Burrow was only pressured on 24.1% of his dropbacks and sacked on 7.3%.

2. No, time to throw isn't what you want to talk about.  Tom Brady was 3rd in the league in Intended Air Yards, but tied for the 9th lowest Time to Throw.  Why?  Because he gets the ball out quick and he has the speed and talent at WR to get downfield quickly so they can throw it quickly and still push the ball down the field.  TB had 4 WR's that generated more separation than any Bengals WR despite having less time on average to work their routes.  Roethlisberger had the lowest Time to Throw in the league last year, but Dionte Johnson and JuJu still generated more separation than both Boyd and Higgins.   

3. Can Sewell play RT?  Can Reiff move inside without dropping off?  We've had multiple quotes from former NFL OL talking about how it isn't so simple to just have guys change sides and positions.  I don't know how anyone can project a massive improvement when we're literally setting ourselves up for diminishing returns with this plan.  We could very well be better off as a unit by leaving Reiff at RT and drafting a G in 2 than drafting Sewell and forcing 2 guys to move.  

4. Hypothetically, this could be correct IF our WR's had the speed and burst to maintain separation after they create it.  Say, you have 2 guys running speed outs on opposite sides of the field.  Burrow's primary read is covered, so he goes to his second read on the other hash who is already out of his break and the CB is already starting to close the window.  With WR's that lack burst and speed, there is a much bigger honus on the QB to get the ball out quickly when the receiver gets that initial separation before the window slams shut.  

(04-10-2021, 06:54 PM)Whatever Wrote: Marshall will likely go in the 1st with that Pro Day performance.

Currently, there are 13 OL in the Top 50 of the Consensus Big Board(created through averaging numerous big boards) vs 8 WR's.  There are 20 OL in the Top 100 vs 14 WR's.  You have a much better chance of getting 2 immediate starters going WR in 1, OL in 2 vs OL in 1, WR in 2.  The OL class is so stacked that most of the guys available in the 2nd would be 1st rounders in a normal class, similar to last year's WR class.

(04-10-2021, 06:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: It was 2.6 yards of separation, which was 0.1 more than Justin Jefferson. Do you think Jefferson is a possession receiver?

Btw, this guy should be available in round 2, runs a 4.38 and is 2" taller than Chase:

(04-10-2021, 06:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: Hypothetically, this could be correct IF our WR's had the speed and burst to maintain separation after they create it.  Say, you have 2 guys running speed outs on opposite sides of the field.  Burrow's primary read is covered, so he goes to his second read on the other hash who is already out of his break and the CB is already starting to close the window.  With WR's that lack burst and speed, there is a much bigger honus on the QB to get the ball out quickly when the receiver gets that initial separation before the window slams shut.  

(04-10-2021, 07:30 PM)PDub80 Wrote: With his pro day, Marshall all but guaranteed he will be a first rounder. I wouldn't be shocked of he was WR 2 or 3 off the board after Chase.

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is that I believe that Chase is so much better than what will be available at WR in round 2 compared to the difference between Sewell and the linemen in round 2.

Jamaar Chase absolutely destroyed 4 CBs who were very high to good NFL draft picks. Like, obliterated them. Sewell did well against Pac 12 guys. I see Chase as a bigger, faster, stronger version of Steve Smith (Panthers) and Sewell more of a Quenton Nelson. Sewell is nowhere in the same stratosphere of an Orlando Pace or Andrew Whitworth, IMO just due to size alone. Sewell was interesting when he was listed at 6'6", but that turned out to be a myth when he came in at 6'4" (Neslon is 6'5") with shorter arms.

With Sewell, think the Bengals would be using a top 5 pick on a player best suited at Guard in an absolutely STACKED O line class and that is an insane lack of value, IMO, while no one else is like Chase in this draft.

BTW, I will in no way be upset with a lineman. Not at all. The BEngals need talent all over. So, I will be excited. Hell, take a lineman in the 1st & the RB, Harris from Alabama in the 2nd and pound the rock between him & Mixon. I will LOVE that. Grab a WR or 2 later. Just add great players. That's all they need to do. I don't think the Bengals are THAT far off from being really dangerous.

PS: Tate is preeeeety close to a turtle.

And the WR class DOES have a ton of talent, but as I looked into what's available, that talent is either sub 6' tall or sub 185lbs. Most of them are little, quick slot guys or returners. Bateman and the kid from Colorado are bigger guys. There's another who I am forgetting. The Bengals NEED to add 2 more WRs in the draft and sign a few before camp. They only have 5 on the roster.

(04-10-2021, 06:24 PM)PDub80 Wrote: It's a 3 headed problem that the Bengals cannot solve with 1 draft pick. Teams were cheating up so close to the line it compacts the field and congests everything the Bengals are trying to do. Not having a guy who's a threat to make youbpay deel kf you're bringing safeties up literally effects EVERYTHING the Bengals are trying to do on offense.

If they had signed Golliday then, sure, O line at 5 is easy.
If they had signed Zeitler AND Reiff then, sure, WR at 5 is easy.

^ They need... NEED another starting O linemen or 2. They NEED a big play, take the top off WR... or 2.

And Joe Burrow NEEDS to get better with the deep ball.

It will be interesting to see how the Bengals solve the problem. They cannot solve it in 1 round of the draft. I will be thrilled as long as they get an ELITE guy. That is all I want and then they can go from there.

(04-10-2021, 06:54 PM)Whatever Wrote: Marshall will likely go in the 1st with that Pro Day performance.

Currently, there are 13 OL in the Top 50 of the Consensus Big Board(created through averaging numerous big boards) vs 8 WR's.  There are 20 OL in the Top 100 vs 14 WR's.  You have a much better chance of getting 2 immediate starters going WR in 1, OL in 2 vs OL in 1, WR in 2.  The OL class is so stacked that most of the guys available in the 2nd would be 1st rounders in a normal class, similar to last year's WR class.