(08-05-2020, 02:46 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Agree I think Ross could surprise some people this year, he’s never gonna live up to being picked over Maholmes but I think he can still be a dangerous WR. His biggest issue is staying healthy. He just wasn’t a fast guy with a little production coming out of college he put up numbers. I still think of that Seattle opener where Ross went off , he should have a bunch of miss matches this year and he’s still one of are only WR’s with speed.

(08-05-2020, 12:44 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Then that means you're going to have an awfuly disappointing season from either Green, Higgins, or Boyd.

There's simply not enough balls to go around.  For Ross to have a legitimate season it's probably going to mean at least 800 yards and 5 TD's.  Those yards and TD's are going to have to come at the expense of others that are currently projected to be bigger contributors.

Think of it this way, if the follow players hit these numbers, what's left?

AJ Green - 1,000 yards
Tyler Boyd - 1,000 yards
Tee Higgins - 600 yards
Mixon/Bernard - 600 yards
Uzomah/Sample - 600 yards
Misc (Tate/Willis/Carter/Erickson) - 250 yards

Total - 4,050 yards

Those are all pretty conservative benchmarks.  The numbers out of the running backs and TE spots are basically pulled from our averages over the last few seasons.  The misc. number is probably low.

It's really easy to say "I think AJ is back, and has a good season", "I think Boyd keeps his numbers up", "I think Tee Higgins has a productive first year", etc.  But when you start looking at the actual numbers it will take for all of that to happen, there's simply nothing left for Ross to do on a large scale.

So you have to take your pick, is it he has a good season and we all want him back, but one of these other guys really underperforms?  Or is John Ross doesn't do a whole lot, and ends up with under 400 yards?  You can't have your cake and eat it too.

(08-05-2020, 01:43 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I honestly don't think anything is going to fix Ross. Bad pick, just have to move on from it.

(08-05-2020, 07:22 PM)bfine32 Wrote: To the sidebar: 15 players in the NFL had 150 PR yards or more in the NFL last year. Of those 50 Erickson had by far the worst YPR.  Also only 2 PRs in the NFL had more fumbles than Erickson. He was also top 10 in fair catches. If we aren't looking at getting better at PR then we should and I have a feeling Simmons is.

(08-05-2020, 04:51 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Where do you see Green, Boyd and Higgins ending up if Ross hits your mark?

(08-05-2020, 05:22 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I saw it more then once. Sure some of Andy's deep throws weren't pretty or perfect, but Ross wouldn't even reach up for the ball or he'd quit running full speed and I can't think of a single time I have seen him lay out for a catch. 

Just want to see effort, and he never seems to really show that.


This lack of effort here is just pathetic...

The CB knocks him slightly off his route and he quits running and quits looking for the ball. That is inexcusable.

(08-05-2020, 05:38 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: More great video of John Ross just dropping balls and not finishing a route.




So... this is not over-blown, this is a trend.

(08-06-2020, 08:48 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: We could make a video of AJ Green doing the same thing.  I remember him bobbling a perfect pass right in to peanut Tillman's arms for a game-losing INT week 1.  

It highlighted one big drop against Seattle in week 1 last year and showed it four times.  He did go on to destroy Seattle that game.  

This is his make-or-break year.  Not just as a Bengal, but if he wants to start in the league and get an additional contract, if he isn't able to do it with Joe Burrow and other talent on the field like Boyd and Green, he won't get anywhere near the deal he is probably going to get if he stays on his projected path.  

Maybe we need a "Ross only" thread, so we can revisit it.

I am saying 40 receptions, 850 yards, and 8 TDs.  

(08-05-2020, 04:55 AM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Cedric Ogbuehi,
WJ3,
John Ross,
Billy Price,
Jonah Williams,

Looks like our 1st round picks in general have just been duds recently. Could make the argument Ross is the 2nd most productive on that list so far... I expect Jonah to change that narrative tho.

(08-06-2020, 12:58 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Wouldn't call WJ3 a dud

(08-06-2020, 11:43 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Maybe only 2 or 3 games have I ever been MORE angry than I was after that game (and not just the bobble; the other pick, he could've had it/knocked it out, but AJ let the play be); heavily pissed me off, we should've won by 20 and Andy was on point the whole day.

(08-04-2020, 10:57 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Looks HUGE. Liked this pick from the start, but I’m getting more and more excited about this kid.

(08-05-2020, 10:25 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: I know you’re exaggerating, but he’s only played in 24 games. Which is pretty crazy. You can talk about the mental side of the game, giving up on routes, drops, etc but the main thing that has held Ross back at the NFL level is inability to stay healthy.

(08-06-2020, 08:48 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: We could make a video of AJ Green doing the same thing.  I remember him bobbling a perfect pass right in to peanut Tillman's arms for a game-losing INT week 1.  

It highlighted one big drop against Seattle in week 1 last year and showed it four times.  He did go on to destroy Seattle that game.  

This is his make-or-break year.  Not just as a Bengal, but if he wants to start in the league and get an additional contract, if he isn't able to do it with Joe Burrow and other talent on the field like Boyd and Green, he won't get anywhere near the deal he is probably going to get if he stays on his projected path.  

Maybe we need a "Ross only" thread, so we can revisit it.

I am saying 40 receptions, 850 yards, and 8 TDs.  

(08-06-2020, 07:48 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Ah, not really. AJ may have as many bad plays in his entire career as Ross does in his 24 played games. Maybe.

But if you were to put the stellar plays of each player next to the others it would be AJ 80 and Ross < 5. Ross just ain't the future of this franchise.

 

(08-06-2020, 07:05 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think Higgy baby could help out all of our Receivers, even AJ. He is the same size as AJ and has even better hands.

(08-07-2020, 08:18 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I never said Ross is the future of this franchise, but that highlight reel is just an exaggeration of his issues.  It wasn't like his coach was really in his corner when he started and he had injury problems.  And your reference to their entire careers is accurate, but what about the last two years?  Not as big a difference.  I will judge Ross what he does for ZT and last year was a positive step.  

There is this little matter of Ross being in the final year of a 4 year, $17 million dollar contract.  Green is scheduled to make $18 million this year.  

Burrow will likely be the best thing to ever happen to Ross in stripes, although I bet Ross ends up somewhere else next year.  There aren't too many situations I can see where Ross signs here after having his fifth year option declined.  About the only way I see that happening is if Tee Higgins balls out and AJ struggles with health again.  That, and Ross having a great year.  That would put AJ's contract dollars in Ross's pocket, although he may STILL desire to try his luck in FA.  Unless he really loves Burrow.