(01-04-2021, 06:34 PM)Amalone002 Wrote: So many outsiders and fans wanting to change and fire everyone.  

Says alot that Burrow and Boyd, two of our best players don't want a new coach and believe in zac. We need consistency and when you fire coaches too early (see Cleveland) it's hard and the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I'm alone here but I also agree with Mike browns message and like what we are building.  We need to get healthy and add more free agents which it sounds like they are going to do and will be fine.  

(01-05-2021, 10:50 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Cleveland fired their 1 yr horrible coach at 6-10, this year they're in the playoffs.  Everyone knew they had the talent.

Ever been to a restaurant where everything is immaculate & perfect, year later, place is trashed? the difference, new (bad) manager.

Coach communication in this team is fragmented. The left hand doesnt know what the right is doing. Seems like Zac is too invested in calling  plays and letting the other coaches quasi-independently run the team. McVay always seems in control of the entire team when I compare him with Zac who is too busy thinking about the next play to call.   This method will never work, specially with a green-behind-the-ears HC like Zac. 

GAME OVER.   :paul:

(01-05-2021, 10:50 AM)Bengalitis Wrote: Cleveland fired their 1 yr horrible coach at 6-10, this year they're in the playoffs.  Everyone knew they had the talent.

Ever been to a restaurant where everything is immaculate & perfect, year later, place is trashed? the difference, new (bad) manager.

Coach communication in this team is fragmented. The left hand doesnt know what the right is doing. Seems like Zac is too invested in calling  plays and letting the other coaches quasi-independently run the team. McVay always seems in control of the entire team when I compare him with Zac who is too busy thinking about the next play to call.   This method will never work, specially with a green-behind-the-ears HC like Zac. 

GAME OVER.   :paul:

(01-05-2021, 10:16 AM)Sled21 Wrote: He's called some good ones and some bad ones. And in many we really don't know because the line didn't hold up enough for any play to develop.

(01-05-2021, 12:56 PM)MileHighGrowler Wrote: If the line couldn't hold up for the plays he called, can we say he called the right plays?  

(01-04-2021, 06:55 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Conspiracy theory: The Bengals are having interns do online damage control by saying positive stuff about Zac.

(01-04-2021, 07:52 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: And so has people that are only see from one end of the lense..

(01-05-2021, 12:46 AM)MileHighGrowler Wrote: In the AFC, other than the Bengals I think there's one team that was below 8-8, and it was the Pats, who have enough history with Bill B to not fire him after this season.  Every other team in the conference that dropped below that 8-8 mark is replacing their coach.  

Also, 8-8 would be a pretty good year in this division?  Are we hoping for the participating trophy or winning a SB?  You can't win out very easily if you can't get out of your own division.  Absolutely I would not accept 8-8 as a final record, this division or not.  We've got a HC going into his third year now.  They better do a lot better than 8-8 / mediocrity.  

(01-05-2021, 10:16 AM)Sled21 Wrote: He's called some good ones and some bad ones. And in many we really don't know because the line didn't hold up enough for any play to develop.

(01-05-2021, 02:36 PM)GodFather Wrote: I agree he has called some good games and obviously bad ones but the bad offensive line is his fault directly. This offseason he could've addressed it and made more of a priority but he was confident about the line this upcoming year along with Turner and comfortable where they were at. That falls on him directly and he should've known more than anyone that is anything but the case.

(01-04-2021, 06:42 PM)MileHighGrowler Wrote: Pleeeeeeaaaaase stop saying that Boyd and Burrow and any other player who says publicly they believe/support their coach means the players are all-in on Zac or would be upset if the HC was replaced.  Please.  You cannot read into those comments.  Some guys want to stir the pot enough to get dropped or traded like Los did.  But most of them will say the right thing, because, well, it's the right thing.  And maybe they do also support Zac 100%.  But we don't know that, and I'm getting tired of hearing how our guys love Zac so much so we should too.  

You know what I bet Boyd and Burrow like even more than Zac?  Winning.  Winning enough to go the playoffs.  Winning in the playoffs.  Playing a Superbowl.  Winning a Lombardi trophy.  

You know what I expected from Zac?  Not a 5 year learning curve and slow progression where no one knew his ceiling.  Coming off a tired 6-win performance from Merv, I expected Zac to take the team with some energy and knock out 7 or 8 wins the first year and be in the playoff picture this year.  Injuries aren't an excuse.  Losing one-score games isn't an excuse.  

And, the points still remain that Zac doesn't do anything to change and try to improve.  If he'd started out and realized he was in over his head and needed to hand off play calling duties, I'd say he learned something and grew.  If his assistants were keeping the team up and he replaced them I'd say he was striving for excellence.  But the guy hasn't done crap in 2 full years.  It's just the same thing over and over.  I'm not sure where anyone can point to his effort over 32 games and show where the improvement has been.  Learning curve?  There is no curve. It's a learning flat.  Which means there's no learning.  Which means there's no improvement.  

(01-05-2021, 01:32 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: This and the Mike Brown comment about "this is what the fans wanted" are dead on.  It is basically trying to spin positive the fact that they are giving him another year.  

A pessimist will say that it is a guaranteed failure next year. 

An optimist will say that if next year is a failure, there will be a complete change of coaches (win). And if they in fact win and get to the playoffs and have a young, energetic squad and show better game management, that is also a win.   

I would hate to lose a year on Burrow's rookie contract but the way I look at it, we, as fans, either win next year of the year after.