(06-19-2021, 07:12 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Pat Kirwin and Jim Miller of SXM NFL Radio did the breakdown of the Bengals OL yesterday.  They had Williams for 5 sacks.

(06-19-2021, 04:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: Ok. And how many did they have for Moses?  Different sources credit sacks allowed differently.  Some will or won't credit an OL with a sack allowed on a coverage sack, for example.  If Jonah had 5 by their system, Moses could have have 8-9 if graded with the same system.

(06-19-2021, 11:14 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: If you want the 5 best guys on the field, you get all three of them out there.  Reiff is the oldest, with the lowest pass-blocking grade of the 3.  He is also only here on a one-year deal.  If they gave Moses a 3 year deal, you don't have to draft an OT with your first pick next year.  You could draft a CB.  Or a LB if this crop of CB really shows.  

Note:  Pick 32 probably won't have a starting-caliber OT.  

(06-19-2021, 12:13 PM)kalibengal Wrote: I read another post that said NYJ were close to signing Moses but the hang up was he wont play guard.   

(06-19-2021, 10:20 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: They are called homers

(06-19-2021, 02:18 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: And if you point out the fact that all this hope hinges on a lot of unknowns and "ifs" and don't get all rah-rah... you're called negative and a downer. It's a wonderful world lol.

(06-19-2021, 04:56 PM)Whatever Wrote: Ok. And how many did they have for Moses?  Different sources credit sacks allowed differently.  Some will or won't credit an OL with a sack allowed on a coverage sack, for example.  If Jonah had 5 by their system, Moses could have have 8-9 if graded with the same system.

(06-19-2021, 12:13 PM)kalibengal Wrote: I read another post that said NYJ were close to signing Moses but the hang up was he wont play guard.   

(06-19-2021, 02:18 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: And if you point out the fact that all this hope hinges on a lot of unknowns and "ifs" and don't get all rah-rah... you're called negative and a downer. It's a wonderful world lol.

(06-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: No, you guys are called doomers without any solutions to anything at all.

Tell me me what you would do different than bringing in Pollack, Reiff, Carman, D'ante Smith, Trey Hill and retaining Spain?

I honestly want to know?

(06-19-2021, 08:36 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: No, you guys are called doomers without any solutions to anything at all.

Tell me me what you would do different than bringing in Pollack, Reiff, Carman, D'ante Smith, Trey Hill and retaining Spain?

I honestly want to know?


Everything hinges on this every frickin' year man! Where you been? If we are hit by injuries we need to fall back on depth 
and coaching. Pretty frickin' simple. You don't like Reiff, Carman and all the guys they brought in or Pollack or Jonah...

Us homers get it. It is a wonderful world when you get it and aren't negative about anything without ANY solutions.

What would you do different besides of course just drafting Sewell over Chase?

(06-20-2021, 02:29 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I've actually been supportive of the Carman pick, and think he'll be a good guard.

That said, here is what I would have done different.

1) Fire Lou. Get a DC in here that has some HC experience to help revamp the defense and maybe help Taylor get it figured out. If he can't figure it out, then you have a guy to get your through the season.

2) If Reiff is the answer at RT, then commit to it and give him more then a 1 year stop gap deal. Commit to him and have some continuity on the line for a few seasons. If he isn't the answer long term, don't screw around till round 4 on a long shot from a small school.

3) The unused cap space is killing me. If the move all along was that you had to get the WR in round 1, then you should have worked harder to fix the line in FA ala Zeitler over Spain or... get active for a WR in FA or another DE. I like Ossai, and I think Carman will be a good guard, but if you address one of those spots in FA it opens up another pick that could have been used to improve elsewhere. I still have zero faith that Jonah sees 17 games, I have zero faith XSF stays healthy, and I like Spain but he can be upgraded upon. There is holes that could have been fixed in FA or via an early round pick. Golladay would have been a great get and then the team can trade down and take Vera-Tucker or stay and take Sewell. 

So, in short. My changes. Sign Golladay, we have the cap space and shouldn't have missed. Fire Lou and get new blood coaching the D not just the line. 1st pick then can be for the line or, trade down and get all kinds of talent in return. Hell the Lions wanted to move up and take Sewell, and Miami was after a reunion for Tua, the Bengals could have moved down and still took Chase and had an additional pick in the draft from Det.

(06-19-2021, 11:12 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Reiff played some LG in college at Iowa.  He is a better run blocker than pass blocker, too, at this point in his career and fits well as a guard.  Plus, he said publicly that he would play anywhere on the line that he was needed.

Instead of asking yourself if you want Reiff or XSF at Guard (which really shouldn't even be a debate), ask yourself how you feel with Fred Johnson being the first OT off the bench and no one with any NFL experience behind him.  It should be noted that both Jonah and Reiff have missed significant time in the last two years.  Reiff could slide back outside if one of the OTs went down and you could have Spain at LG.  Then Fred Johnson is the 2nd OT off the bench.  You wouldn't have to mess with Carman's development as a guard unless you lost 3 OTs.  

It isn't about wanting Reiff at Guard, it is about wanting better depth of talent at OT. 

(06-20-2021, 10:13 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: Solutions? They can’t do anything now.

Just have to pray that Burrow survives again, because injuries WILL happen

(06-20-2021, 02:29 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: I've actually been supportive of the Carman pick, and think he'll be a good guard.

That said, here is what I would have done different.

1) Fire Lou. Get a DC in here that has some HC experience to help revamp the defense and maybe help Taylor get it figured out. If he can't figure it out, then you have a guy to get your through the season.

2) If Reiff is the answer at RT, then commit to it and give him more then a 1 year stop gap deal. Commit to him and have some continuity on the line for a few seasons. If he isn't the answer long term, don't screw around till round 4 on a long shot from a small school.

3) The unused cap space is killing me. If the move all along was that you had to get the WR in round 1, then you should have worked harder to fix the line in FA ala Zeitler over Spain or... get active for a WR in FA or another DE. I like Ossai, and I think Carman will be a good guard, but if you address one of those spots in FA it opens up another pick that could have been used to improve elsewhere. I still have zero faith that Jonah sees 17 games, I have zero faith XSF stays healthy, and I like Spain but he can be upgraded upon. There is holes that could have been fixed in FA or via an early round pick. Golladay would have been a great get and then the team can trade down and take Vera-Tucker or stay and take Sewell. 

So, in short. My changes. Sign Golladay, we have the cap space and shouldn't have missed. Fire Lou and get new blood coaching the D not just the line. 1st pick then can be for the line or, trade down and get all kinds of talent in return. Hell the Lions wanted to move up and take Sewell, and Miami was after a reunion for Tua, the Bengals could have moved down and still took Chase and had an additional pick in the draft from Det.

(06-17-2021, 08:13 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I don't believe that is true.  They said on Locked on Bengals that his pass blocking grade was 70?  He was also the 5th ranked RT in the league, according to PFF?  

Bottom line, he is a hell of a lot better than anything else we have, and very similar to Reiff. 

If the Bengals offered him $15 million, they could save at least $3 million cutting XSF and then having Reiff at LG.

I would really like the line of:   Williams-Reiff-Hopkins/Price-Carman-Moses, and it would have the flexibility to move Reiff back outside should one of the other OTs get injured.  Right now, I don't like the idea of Fred Johnson as our backup tackle and really, after him, do you want them to force Carman outside?  They need another OT.  

(06-19-2021, 11:12 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Reiff played some LG in college at Iowa.  He is a better run blocker than pass blocker, too, at this point in his career and fits well as a guard.  Plus, he said publicly that he would play anywhere on the line that he was needed.

Instead of asking yourself if you want Reiff or XSF at Guard (which really shouldn't even be a debate), ask yourself how you feel with Fred Johnson being the first OT off the bench and no one with any NFL experience behind him.  It should be noted that both Jonah and Reiff have missed significant time in the last two years.  Reiff could slide back outside if one of the OTs went down and you could have Spain at LG.  Then Fred Johnson is the 2nd OT off the bench.  You wouldn't have to mess with Carman's development as a guard unless you lost 3 OTs.  

It isn't about wanting Reiff at Guard, it is about wanting better depth of talent at OT. 

(06-21-2021, 09:40 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Just like they did when Carson Palmer had one of the best Offensive Lines in football...

(06-21-2021, 10:37 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: Carson Palmer had one of the best lines in football for most of his career in Cincy. 2005 playoffs was a freak accident. 2006 line was a top 10 unit.

This current line? Nowhere near as good.

Terrible o-line = greater chance of the qb getting hurt.

This is a fact

These are all facts

(06-21-2021, 11:00 PM)SuperBowlBound! Wrote: I love what ZT has done with this team since taking over.