(11-03-2015, 02:48 AM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Nice hyperbole and strawman fred. Good job. You're a winner buddy.

Coach fred: "Hey go try and attack a much better athlete than you in space when he has the advantage of seeing the ball carrier behind you. Good luck, you're on your own"

Andre did it right. You are completely illiterate on the nuance of the block and disregarding the context of the play, not surprising since for a solid hour you couldn't differentiate between that play and 2 others. 

(11-03-2015, 04:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Wow another post where you claim you are right just because you say you are right.

Again, no o-line coach would tell a player to just stand still and not even try to block a guy when he is chasing the QB.  If you think that is how it works then you don't have a clue. 

(11-03-2015, 04:04 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Wow another post where you claim you are right just because you say you are right.

Again, no o-line coach would tell a player to just stand still and not even try to block a guy when he is chasing the QB.  If you think that is how it works then you don't have a clue. 

(11-03-2015, 04:14 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: I think it's absolutely hilarious you are claiming I'm right just because I say I'm right, while you have given absolutely no analysis or objective evidence other than your (bogus) opinion while I have broken down the actual play to explain why Smith was right, you just throw your hands in the air like a little child and scream "I DON'T CARE!"

(11-03-2015, 08:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I broke it down also.

I clearly explained that blockers are trained to read the defender to determine when the QB is flushed from the pocket.  I am never one to make the claim that i know what i am talking about because I played the game, but when I clearly explain a point and you claim I never said anything then i begin to wonder what your problem is.

The clips you posted clearly show that Dre did not move at all from the spot.  He did not even attempt to block Dupree even though it was clear that he was taking off after a scrambling QB.    

You claim that a pass blocker just sets up to protect the pocket and then never leaves that spot.  That is just ridiculous.  QBs leave the pocket all the time and blockers continue to try and protect him.  anyone who watches foot ball knows this.

(11-03-2015, 09:50 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Few questions:
Do you think Andre knew Andy was leaving the pocket?
Did you notice how Dupree ran AWAY from Andre? 
Do you think Andre could run down Dupree?

(11-03-2015, 11:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  Of course he did.  He has been trained to read the defender to know where the QB is moving.  That is basic football knowledge.

2.  Yes I noticed, but that does not mean that Dre is allowed to completely give up on the play.  Many times when QBs scramble in the pocket they move back and forth.  Dalton might have changed direction and scrambled back into the pocket.  That is why players are told that they do no just give up when they are in pass pro and the QB starts to scramble.

3.  You make it sound like Dre would have had to chase Dupree down from behind.  This is not true.  Dre was still between Dalton and Dupree and had the angle in his favor.  Dre would not have been chasing Dupree.  He would have just been trying to cut off his pursuit angle.

(11-02-2015, 11:28 AM)Pezmerga Wrote: The play calling was bad. I don't understand why we didn't run the ball more.

(11-04-2015, 12:16 AM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote:  Oh lord. Just...oh lord. 

(11-03-2015, 11:26 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1.  Of course he did.  He has been trained to read the defender to know where the QB is moving.  That is basic football knowledge.

2.  Yes I noticed, but that does not mean that Dre is allowed to completely give up on the play.  Many times when QBs scramble in the pocket they move back and forth.  Dalton might have changed direction and scrambled back into the pocket.  That is why players are told that they do no just give up when they are in pass pro and the QB starts to scramble.

3.  You make it sound like Dre would have had to chase Dupree down from behind.  This is not true.  Dre was still between Dalton and Dupree and had the angle in his favor.  Dre would not have been chasing Dupree.  He would have just been trying to cut off his pursuit angle.

(11-04-2015, 12:27 AM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: I have no horse in this race, but tell me this, Fred:

Whitworth pass blocked, beautifully steering his man away from the pocket and out from behind, taking him out of the play.

But then Andy ran back and to the right, where Whitworth had blocked his man, which allowed for the quick and easy sack (I thought it was Dupree but now I'm not sure who it was).

So, should 77 have continued blocking his man out of bounds or was he wrong to stand there to prevent his man from further continuing to get to Andy, even though he wasn't engaged with him anymore?

Same sitch, different player, different result.

(11-04-2015, 12:31 AM)fredtoast Wrote: I'd have to see the play.  If Whit just gave the rusher a punch and then stood there and didn't try to block him anymore then that was wrong.  

(11-04-2015, 12:21 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Exactly what I expected.

(11-04-2015, 12:15 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Someone tired of your nonsense? Yep. That's exactly what it is. Bye fred. You have shown a clear basic lack of understanding with blocking schemes and principles. 

(11-04-2015, 12:18 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Again, exactly what I expected.

No substance.  Just your opinion.

(11-04-2015, 12:22 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: Because when I applied substance you turn into a whiny child who was wrong about everything he posted, you made shit up the duration of this conversation. I put up with it. I proved it wrong. I'm done. 

Oh by the way, you done deflecting from Bodine (the guy who almost single-handedly subverted the offense) for the 3rd day or?

(11-04-2015, 01:25 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I had to educate you about how a pass protector reads the rusher to know where the QB is going.  You had no clue about that.  You also had no clue about how a slower player can still cut off a faster player's pursuit angle. 

Basically you defended a pass protector who did not move when his man was disengaged and chasing the QB.  You claimed he didn nothing wrong by just standing there and doing nothing.

And now you have made THREE straight posts with no substance at all other than to claim you are right because you say you are right.