(04-10-2022, 01:58 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Just want to say I didn't mean that as an insult. Just know a lot of people on here are from Ohio and have bias. But yeah...I think if a guy busts his tail through the 4th and misses the game winner, he's not clutch.

Look at it this way, Randy Bullock hit a ton of 4th quarter kicks for us in close games. Would anyone on here say he's clutch? Probably not, because he didn't hit the most important ones. Not often enough, anyway.

But yeah, glad to talk hoops even if we don't agree.

(04-10-2022, 09:26 AM)Bronxbengal Wrote: MJ was not a shoot first player.  That’s LeBron


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(04-10-2022, 03:18 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Lebron doesn't, and never did, have the "it" factor.

Burrow has already proven that he can take over the game and lead his team to (at least) a split second block from winning a title. 

(04-10-2022, 09:32 AM)grampahol Wrote: How dare you not acknowledge Randy Bullocks* as the GKOAT! 

*not to be confused with Bullock..

1. 1.
   the testicles.
2. 2.
   used to express contempt, annoyance, or defiance.
   

(03-25-2022, 10:16 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: I don't know. He's rarely talked about in my market. No commercials.

I predict that he becomes hated like Brady outside of the fan base. I like his confidence, but other fan bases won't.

There are just a bunch of marquee QBs especially in the AFC.

(04-10-2022, 10:17 AM)fredtoast Wrote: LeBron has won 4 NBA Championships and every single time he was MVP of the finals.  He has also won 4 regular season MVPs.

I love Joe Burrow but it is silly at this point to even try to compare him to LeBron.  Bron didn't have a ring by hi second season so it is still early.  But right now Burrow is not even in the same discussion with LeBron as far as the "it" factor.

(04-10-2022, 04:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Bron has had a bunch of stacked teams and couldn't win.

I'm not saying Burrow is better than Lebron but it's not incorrect in saying that Burrow has the "it" factor and Lebron doesn't.

(04-10-2022, 04:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote:  it's not incorrect in saying that Burrow has the "it" factor and Lebron doesn't.

(04-10-2022, 05:17 PM)Destro Wrote: WTF is going on in this thread?!

(04-10-2022, 05:01 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yes it is.

When you have 4 championships and you were the MVP of every one of those series then you have the "it" factor.

(04-11-2022, 05:25 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: Lebron has won championships because he has been on loaded teams.

(04-11-2022, 05:25 AM)BFritz21 Wrote: This article describes how Lebron is lacking the "it" factor.

(04-11-2022, 10:14 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Everyone who wins an NBA Championship is on a loaded team. 

But if he was winning because of other players then they would be winning the Series MVPs instead of him.

(04-11-2022, 10:26 AM)fredtoast Wrote: This article is from 2011 when LeBron had not yet won a title.  And it is kind of funny because by his seventh season when this was written LeBron had already been to an NBA finals in just his 4th season.    Jordan did not even make the finals until his 7th season.

If you went back to the same point in Jordan's career you would find stories about how he was too soft to get the Bulls past the Pistons and into the NBA Finals.

(04-11-2022, 01:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Once again, I'm pretty sure this is another instance of you just trying to contradict anything I post because this makes no sense.

(04-11-2022, 01:23 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: If you have been watching any television lately, analysts aren't even trying to argue Lebron as the GOAT anymore, 

You're proving how clueless you are in this matter.

(04-11-2022, 01:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: It makes "no sense" to say that a guy with 4 rings 4 regular season MVPs and 4 Championship series MVPs has the "it" factor?

You know, Brad, I disagree with a lot of other people on this board.   But instead of just making everything personal when I disagree with them they make arguments about the issue we are debating.  

So far all you have posted is an article from 2011 which was before LeBron had won any of his championships.  And 6 years into Jordan's career people were saying the exact same thing about him because he had not even made an NBA finals yet.

(04-11-2022, 01:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote:   

You are not even an NBA fan, Brad.  Maybe you should stay in your lane



Mavericks coach Jason Kidd calls LeBron James greatest of all-time - Sports Illustrated

Quote:While James is putting up one of the greatest offensive seasons of his storied career, the Lakers are sputtering. After a loss on Tuesday night to Kidd’s Mavericks, Los Angeles fell to the No. 11 spot in the West, on the outside looking in for the play-in tournament for the playoffs. 

(04-11-2022, 01:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Reasons LeBron James is the greatest of all time, LeBron GOAT (clutchpoints.com)

(04-11-2022, 01:51 PM)fredtoast Wrote:   

You are not even an NBA fan, Brad.  Maybe you should stay in your lane



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