(02-16-2023, 10:29 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Sure, and you are so correct about a high dollar average pass protector.  As to Brown, I have seen the nonstop complaining from KC fans all year, it was a consensus to let him go after this season.

Brown also has some red flags that I dont like.

(02-17-2023, 01:13 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: One thing I will say about that K.C. line which obviously includes Pro Bowler Brown,  they did not give up a single sack in the Super Bowl to the team that led the NFL in sacks.  That line is very good and Brown is a big part of it.  I don't know why any K.C. fan would complain about him.  They should be happy they don't have Jonah Williams.

(02-16-2023, 09:31 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Who do you like as OT prospects?

(02-15-2023, 01:45 AM)Whatever Wrote: Wright is an ok prospect for a team that's 12 and/or 21 personell base.  He's not a good prospect for a team that runs 11 base because a team that runs 11 base will need to run more zone blocking as opposed to gap.  Pollack is a wide zone disciple and zone is what Taylor wants for his offense.  

Scouting services go nuts for giant T's that can't move and only fit in gap schemes every year.  Last year, look at Faalele, who was the consensus #57 overall prospect and rose as high as #39 at one point.  Drafted #110 overall.  GM's do not spend premium draft capital on OL that lack scheme versatility.  Reason being, OL coaches come and go and with it their schemes.  

Wright struggles with speed rushers, which is a concern for a guy who would have to go against TJ Watt and Myles Garrett 2x a year.  Beyond that, his tape shows he struggles with passing off stunts, which is also bad for a guy in the AFCN with the exotic blitzes that the other clubs employ.  He's given up 8 sacks in college, so it's not exactly like the guy is an elite pass blocker, either.  And he's pretty close to topped out with limited upside.  

(02-15-2023, 08:27 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Apparently my initial reply was deleted....


We stopped running wide zone after the 1st Ravens game, how do you not know this?

I have some real actual working experience with scouting services....

You say "Wright struggles with speed rushers", this is comical as you are simply repeating DraftBuzz.

Wright has great use of his hands and is known as a very good mirrorer, which means he maintains face to face stance with speed and spin rushers.

You really said this, "He's given up 8 sacks in college, so it's not exactly like the guy is an elite pass blocker, either."

8 sacks in 4 years and 2,746 snaps, in the SEC!  He hasn't given up a sack in his last 19 starts. He has started on the right and the left and done well, not many guys can do that. He is also a an unanimous 1st team All SEC, he has played against the best for 4 years.

One of only a handful of linemen in 2022 with over 850 snaps and an efficiency score over 99.0.


PFF has him mocked to us at #28
Goodberry is hoping and praying he is still on the board at #28
Mike Sanataga has pushed him as a legit pick in the 1st Round.

But you insist this guy is a 4th rounder at best?

I get that this is your opinion but it is so bad it causes me to question your credibility as to any draft comments, simply because Wright is so obvious.

As to your expert opinion that Wright cannot handle speed rushers, he handled the best in the country...

Darnell Wright was incredible against Alabama. Simply put on a show against what could be the #1 pick. pic.twitter.com/dBSObzQp7F

— Mike (@bengals_sans) February 15, 2023

 

(02-16-2023, 10:29 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Sure, and you are so correct about a high dollar average pass protector.  As to Brown, I have seen the nonstop complaining from KC fans all year, it was a consensus to let him go after this season.

Brown also has some red flags that I dont like.

(02-17-2023, 02:41 AM)Whatever Wrote: At 29 I'd be good with Broderick Jones or Anton Harrison.  I really don't see anybody in the 2nd that I'd be pumped about, though I could probably build up some homer hope if Jaelyn Duncan was the pick.  He wouldn't be an immediate help, but I like Wanya Morris in the 3rd as a developmental RT.

(02-17-2023, 07:41 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Jaelyn Duncan was good at senior week.  He isnt on the same tier as Wright, who you think is a 4th rounder.  That just cracks me up so much.  I could understand someone that knows just an ounce of ball saying they didnt want Wright in the 1st because they want the hometown boy, sure thing, Mayer.  But to suggest 4th round....


Jones is still a project, not as big as Wright, who is actually a skilled pass protector (not a requirement by some here).  Anton is a very good pass blocker but on the left side.  You never know how players will adjust after switching sides.  Unless you are drafting these two to start at LT this season?  

(02-17-2023, 02:55 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: He's the Wright choice at 28.

(02-17-2023, 07:41 AM)casear2727 Wrote: Jaelyn Duncan was good at senior week.  He isnt on the same tier as Wright, who you think is a 4th rounder.  That just cracks me up so much.  I could understand someone that knows just an ounce of ball saying they didnt want Wright in the 1st because they want the hometown boy, sure thing, Mayer.  But to suggest 4th round....


Jones is still a project, not as big as Wright, who is actually a skilled pass protector (not a requirement by some here).  Anton is a very good pass blocker but on the left side.  You never know how players will adjust after switching sides.  Unless you are drafting these two to start at LT this season?  

(02-17-2023, 12:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: I'm really not a fan of Duncan at all.  He has upside and scheme versatility, but size is a concern and he's nowhere near as good in space as his athletic profile suggests he should be.

Jones has given up 13 hurries and 2 sacks the past two years in the same conference Wright gave up 18 hurries and 3 sacks in during the same span.  And Jones played in the SEC title game and 2 rounds of the CFP this year.  Jones has a lot more upside than Wright and can play in any scheme.  

(02-17-2023, 12:58 PM)Synric Wrote: Broderick Jones is funny as hell to watch right after Paris Johnson jr lol. Johnson everything is smooth and timed right experienced technique. Broderick Jones is all over the place but he is so gifted he still wins almost every single rep. Nasty nasty streak too. If Jones stayed in school for one more year and worked on tightening down his technique he would be a top 15 pick next year... problem is in this weak OT class he could be a top 15 pick easily this year lol.

(02-17-2023, 11:11 AM)WVUHomer Wrote: Serious question, if we get Wright and shore up the right side, do you draft a LT in the 2nd/3rd (ala Ced and Fischer) or do we have to go with the following questions:

- Do we resign Jonah?
- Is Carman able to handle the LT duties? Do we extend him for depth at the very least anyways?
- Do we draft the highest available LT?

(02-17-2023, 12:41 PM)Synric Wrote: There is no such thing as a perfect pick and there is a reason Wright is still considered a second round pick with a chance to sneak into the first even after a solid Senior Bowl week.


1. It looks like he showed up a little heavier than he played in 2022. That could be an issue especially knowing the biggest interviews of his life are right now.

2. Very Limitied as a Run blocker. He will not help the already limited range of the Bengals Offensive line. It's possible he could drop down to 327 to 325 and move alot better but you know 342.

3. Although experienced and technically sound he does some really stupid stuff. Like stepping out to meet wide rushes closing space before pass setting.

4. He has never been in a real NFL offense... in fact Tennessee's offense is strange even for college. There will be a huge learning curve for every Tennessee Offensive player.



I'm not opposed to Darnell Wright. Im all for any WV boy making good and even got to talk to his HS coach last week. Bengals need a tackle If they draft Wright I hope they try to find some range at Left Guard. 

(02-17-2023, 12:47 PM)Whatever Wrote: I'm really not a fan of Duncan at all.  He has upside and scheme versatility, but size is a concern and he's nowhere near as good in space as his athletic profile suggests he should be.

Jones has given up 13 hurries and 2 sacks the past two years in the same conference Wright gave up 18 hurries and 3 sacks in during the same span.  And Jones played in the SEC title game and 2 rounds of the CFP this year.  Jones has a lot more upside than Wright and can play in any scheme.  

(02-20-2023, 11:45 PM)Synric Wrote: PFF did a mock draft with every college football player draft eligible.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-all-eligible-nfl-mock-draft

It really puts in prospective alot of the position groups like OT. Only two of the 2023 OT make it into the first round Peter Skoronski at 26 and Paris Johnson at 28.

(02-20-2023, 11:45 PM)Synric Wrote: PFF did a mock draft with every college football player draft eligible.

https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-all-eligible-nfl-mock-draft

It really puts in prospective alot of the position groups like OT. Only two of the 2023 OT make it into the first round Peter Skoronski at 26 and Paris Johnson at 28.

(02-14-2023, 11:13 PM)casear2727 Wrote: It is funny you are ok with Broderick Jones who is very athletic but is more raw with less experience (you have a ton of confidence in our oline development?), but you dont mention Anton Harrison, the best pass blocking prospect in the draft.  And you dont like Wright, lol.  Guy is bigger than Jones, athletic and several years of quality starts.

Feel free to tell Goodberry about how terrible Wright is.  PFF mocked him to us at 28 and now Goodberry says that if he tests well at the combine that we wont have a chance at him even at 28.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZIGK-s8SH8

Im also out on Jones.