(12-14-2023, 01:12 PM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: Then Burrow needs to learn to play QB with his back to the D at times. If Burrow is actually checking out of most of the same plays Zac is sending him that Jake IS running and Jake is marching down the field then our #1 QB needs to learn from our #2 QB and adjust his style of play. The O linemen aren't helping Jake up off his back like they were Burrow. I know, it's only 2 games but with the Browning led O this team looks sharp. If JB can't run and manage the O without running empty sets and not under center then he isn't the elite QB he is claimed to be.

(12-14-2023, 01:20 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You should have stopped right there.

(12-14-2023, 01:25 PM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: But I didn't. So my last sentence isn't true?

(12-14-2023, 01:25 PM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: But I didn't. So my last sentence isn't true?

(12-14-2023, 01:34 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Your whole post was hyperbole. Joe Burrow doesn’t need to “learn” anything from Jake Browning.

Some of you really need to go back and rewatch the 9ers game. Joe was under center a bunch in that one and he played great.

(12-14-2023, 01:34 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Your whole post was hyperbole. Joe Burrow doesn’t need to “learn” anything from Jake Browning.

Some of you really need to go back and rewatch the 9ers game. Joe was under center a bunch in that one and he played great.

(12-14-2023, 01:12 PM)RegularGuy22 Wrote: Then Burrow needs to learn to play QB with his back to the D at times. If Burrow is actually checking out of most of the same plays Zac is sending him that Jake IS running and Jake is marching down the field then our #1 QB needs to learn from our #2 QB and adjust his style of play. The O linemen aren't helping Jake up off his back like they were Burrow. I know, it's only 2 games but with the Browning led O this team looks sharp. If JB can't run and manage the O without running empty sets and not under center then he isn't the elite QB he is claimed to be.

(12-14-2023, 02:48 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Joe checking out of plays is overblown. He not under center by design because he doesn’t like it. What I think people aren’t getting is that the team is playing better and Higgins is healthy and the OL much much better

(12-11-2023, 02:01 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: I hate conspiracy theories generally. But the I don't buy Zac Taylor as a play caller in me has a bit of a conspiracy for our recent success. Maybe Taylor isn't calling the plays or has been given the plays he can chose from. We had 10 days before the Steelers game yet we didn't see any of these changes. After that game sure you had tape and a whole game experience to say what Browning could and couldn't do. But he's been here all camp and season so we really had no idea what he was or wasn't capable of? Seems odd then with the quick turn around. Then someone in the organization said we are pulling this from you but we'll let you save face and not say anything public. We'll even let you design a couple of trick plays. Then we all saw how that turned out and even that got taken from him. I am mostly kidding. But this is why I don't like the committee approach. I get it that if things are going good why does it matter but we honestly don't know if there is an x factor to recent coaching/playcalling changes.

(12-14-2023, 02:51 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Joe better start liking it. Don't understand why he doesn't like winning lol

(12-14-2023, 02:51 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Joe better start liking it. Don't understand why he doesn't like winning lol

(12-14-2023, 03:30 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Posters here try to dissect everything too much. To be efficient they just need to execute whether in or out of shotgun.

(12-14-2023, 03:33 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: But he did win a whole lot of games over the past couple years.

(12-11-2023, 01:35 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Burrow went down and Browning came in, and the team has put up over 30 points in each of the last two weeks. The running game is now seemingly working, although neither Jax nor Indy are particularly good against the run. Some people are saying they changed the scheme (they didn't). Browning is definitely not better, or even in the same category, with Burrow. So, what is it?

Notice when Browning went out with this thumb cramp, what did McCarron do? He came in and threw a touchdown pass to Higgins.

The simple fact of the matter is really just that Zac and Duke have put together a really good football team from the top of the roster to the bottom. Vets are out there hustling and not mailing it in, rookies are playing their asses off and shining. The team supports each other and no personality clashes, no divas, no drama. Heck, DJ Turner was wearing neon green cleats that supported Mike Thomas' charity during the "My cleats, my cause" game. This is just a really good football team that is really well coached. They are going to be good for a long time with as young as they are.

(12-14-2023, 03:50 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Not that I think Burrow's injury was a good thing, but if Browning keeps winning with the same personnel and coaching, I think it may give Joe a chance for some reflection on what he brings to the team and how he can improve.  I mean, it's gotta feel good for Mixon/Brown to have plays specifically called for them and the for the OL to get a chance to really attack and punch back more often.

Perhaps I'm biased because I'm more of an old school fan that likes a good run game, screens and play-action passes where even the cameraman gets fooled here and there.  I'm not really thrilled over the RPO/sandlot style of offense that guys like Lamar do.  I do hate me some Ravens though.....
Not really a big fan over the empty sets either where you hold your breath after because it seems like the QB gets tagged every play.

After all the hate Frank Pollack has been given (by myself included), maybe, just maybe he ain't half bad.  This week is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
If we get a win against the Vikings, I think they go in and roll the Steelers asses the next week for an early Xmas present for all of us! 

(12-14-2023, 03:50 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Not that I think Burrow's injury was a good thing, but if Browning keeps winning with the same personnel and coaching, I think it may give Joe a chance for some reflection on what he brings to the team and how he can improve.  I mean, it's gotta feel good for Mixon/Brown to have plays specifically called for them and the for the OL to get a chance to really attack and punch back more often.

Perhaps I'm biased because I'm more of an old school fan that likes a good run game, screens and play-action passes where even the cameraman gets fooled here and there.  I'm not really thrilled over the RPO/sandlot style of offense that guys like Lamar do.  I do hate me some Ravens though.....
Not really a big fan over the empty sets either where you hold your breath after because it seems like the QB gets tagged every play.

After all the hate Frank Pollack has been given (by myself included), maybe, just maybe he ain't half bad.  This week is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
If we get a win against the Vikings, I think they go in and roll the Steelers asses the next week for an early Xmas present for all of us! 

(12-14-2023, 03:53 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Love it brother. Your post made me smile.

(12-14-2023, 01:42 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: It's definitely not. A lot of this is just recency bias and people having no idea what they are talking about. Jake Browning has been in the shotgun 72% of the time in these two games. Burrow was in shotgun 62% of the time for the entire duration of 2021 and 78% for 2022. Burrow is perfectly capable of playing under center and being very successful and Browning isn't under center as much as people think. The "all shotgun" offense is an anomaly and isolated to this year due to Burrow's injury. 

(12-14-2023, 01:42 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: It's definitely not. A lot of this is just recency bias and people having no idea what they are talking about. Jake Browning has been in the shotgun 72% of the time in these two games. Burrow was in shotgun 62% of the time for the entire duration of 2021 and 78% for 2022. Burrow is perfectly capable of playing under center and being very successful and Browning isn't under center as much as people think. The "all shotgun" offense is an anomaly and isolated to this year due to Burrow's injury. 

(12-14-2023, 04:15 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: We started going primarily shotgun after the 1st handful of games last year. So the 78% was really much higher for much of the year last year and not just something to help Burrows injury.