(12-12-2023, 04:57 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I would say it's because of a couple of reasons. He has already hit his 'ceiling' so to speak to many out there. He also has been the primary back since he was drafted, and folks are ready to move on or phase someone else in more & more due to his 'ceiling' as he is not a home run hitter.

Personally I am in that camp myself, but I don't think he is bad or anything like that. He is a good running back. But I'm just ready for a change of scenery. Hopefully Chase Brown with that speed continues to grow and take that mantle next year.

Anyways just my two cents.

(12-12-2023, 04:57 PM)Millhouse Wrote: I would say it's because of a couple of reasons. He has already hit his 'ceiling' so to speak to many out there. He also has been the primary back since he was drafted, and folks are ready to move on or phase someone else in more & more due to his 'ceiling' as he is not a home run hitter.

Personally I am in that camp myself, but I don't think he is bad or anything like that. He is a good running back. But I'm just ready for a change of scenery. Hopefully Chase Brown with that speed continues to grow and take that mantle next year.

Anyways just my two cents.

(12-12-2023, 01:26 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Barry Sanders played on some very craptacular Lions teams, he still managed to shine.  I'm just saying that you 'excusing' Mixon's career subpar performance numbers because of his teammates is pretty weak sauce.

(12-12-2023, 05:37 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I agree that he has hit his ceiling and, like you, I want to see more of Chase Brown and I'm excited about him next year.

Having said that, I have been impressed with Mixon this year because he has been running hard and running downhill, as opposed to recent years when it felt like he was trying to be too cute and dancing too much.

Now, it feels like, even if he doesn't start off at full speed, he picks his spot quickly and, when he does, he runs hard the rest of the play.

I realize that his yards per carry aren't as high as his second and third years in the league, but that could be for a number of reasons.

I do think that this could be his last hoorah and, like you, I've been impressed with Brown in his limited time and I'd like to see more of him.

At least for the rest of this season, if Mixon keeps running hard, I like him as our main back with Brown offering a change-of-pace and fresh legs that the defense isn't ready for.

(12-12-2023, 02:09 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The topic is why is Joe Mixon under appreciated.  I gave my opinion as it being because he often has complete streaks of games where he is virtually ineffective.  Not sure why you want to turn it into some Joe Mixon apologist tribute by deflecting his shortcomings as being the fault of his teammates, but ok.  Carry on..

(12-12-2023, 05:39 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Don't mistake my defense of JM in this thread to be an indicator I don't want him replaced. It's just I think he brings more to the team than given credit for by some. As mentioned earlier I give a bell cow credit especially when he's averaging over 4 YPC. Although I question his character it appears the team loves him and he's a great locker-room guy. and extra 1/2 YPC doesn't necessarily make up for that.

(12-12-2023, 09:53 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/allbengals-insiders-plus/look-joe-mixon-holding-back-bengals-rushing-attack-in-2023

(12-12-2023, 04:23 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Just looking at the 3 years that Perine was with the Bengals 2020-2022, Perine averaged 4.42/carry on 213 carries while Mixon averaged 3.94/carry on 621 carries.  Perine achieved a half yard/carry better behind the same OL.

(12-12-2023, 10:33 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: It's an article from after the Steelers game. Which I'm not sure how anyone who gets paid to write about sports talks about our run blocking efficiency after that game in particular. Do we need to get more dynamic in the future at the RB spot? I think we would all say yes. But we also need to change how we attack on offense with more of an emphasis on the run game. I know we have done better the last two but we will need to carry that into the future. We have a good one two punch going right now. I would also like to say that 75ypg has alot more to do with our team than Mixon. It's about amount of rushing attempts and more than anything amount or lack there of  usage of other backs.

(12-12-2023, 08:21 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Is Mixon bad streaks you describe because we may have been too pass heavy? Was he playing 100% healthy or nicked up?

(12-13-2023, 08:21 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: Yes but 1) that is "recent" and 2) he talks about last season stats where Mixon is nearly worst in the league (like 50th/60th in eligible RBs) in most important stats. It also shows their run blocking is not bad this year. If you remember through 4 games or so last year he had the worst start of any RB ever (2.2YPC?). That has to be a few other things, the OL probably came into play. I also think Mixon doesn't tell the coaches certain plays he's not good at (like running outside the numbers). He's very good at pass catching with space. We can't cherry pick an argument with recency bias. What makes someone good - consistency. And not consistently below average lol

I hope we give Chase Brown years of under performance before we judge him, not just 1 or 2 bad plays of zero yards that Mixon will give routinely. Chase Brown gets years and he's already shown something; RBs fall off a cliff earlier in their career.

Mixon still seems to have a motivational problem too, but maybe that's more on coaching, he definitely plays better when another RB on his team is playing well. (Gio, Perine, Brown, etc).

But 1 thing Ja'marr shows you is speed kills and Mixon is not fast relatively speaking, especially to Brown. The league is small and fast now, Mixon is of the old state, even given that he's not a guarantee in short yardage scenarios.

I'd like to see our 3rd and short game numbers (how often we pass vs. rush and how often we convert short yardage scenarios w/ a run) vs the rest of the league.

Can you win a superbowl with Mixon though, yes, but the Bengals run game has held them back under Burrow IMO. Now we see what Browning can do with a real run game, is it only Chase Brown causing this (coming off IR)?The same question can be asked can you win a superbowl with Brad Robbins, I think the answer is no. A playoff team will crush that guy for 30 yard punts. Could we win a superbowl with randy bullock, no. That's the territory he's encroaching (but not there yet IMO).

If we need Mixon to get 100 rushing yards in a game to win, when is the last time he did that. Like Mahomes let his RBs win the superbowl. I don't have faith in a Mixon 100 yard game. If he gets it once recently, good for us and good for him, but that's not consistent at all and he doesn't have time left in his career for us to ever think that.

(12-12-2023, 09:37 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: There's an old saying in the carpentry world that goes something like 'Tis a poor craftsman who blames his tools for a bad product'.  I think the same can be applied to skill players in team sports.

(12-13-2023, 07:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: That and the fact that you can turn on pretty much any All 22 and see some big holes that he missed over the years. I'm not here to dog him with this post but the "bad oline" is not a valid argument for the majority of his 'problems'.