(12-27-2023, 10:42 AM)Wyche Wrote: I was referring to your post about our coach.....you kinda trashed him before coming to the defense of Omar Epps. 

(12-26-2023, 11:38 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Prediction that Tomlin in the future will be joining the next team Cowher is on called NFL HOF 

(12-27-2023, 09:58 AM)BengalYankee Wrote: Here is some context for you. Cowher's team that you glorify[hand in your Bengals fan card] was a wild card team that won a controversial championship. And had NEVER done anything prior to that tainted championship. You may kiss their ass of that tainted championship, but I don't. Dick Lebeau was a Dick see Bengals 2000-2002.

I am not a Steeler fan, but I hate Cowher and it confuses me that you give this POS a pass. 

 

(12-27-2023, 10:12 AM)Wyche Wrote: Hell, at least he's not defending the current StOoLeR coach and bashing ours like someone else who shall remain "nameless".

(12-27-2023, 10:53 AM)Wyche Wrote: It's almost like there's something different about this season vs the last two .....I can't quite put my finger on it, but yeah, there's definitely something different about this season vs the last two where we won the AFCN ....

(12-27-2023, 12:13 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I’ve thought that too but couldn’t put a finger on it. I think they were over confident. The team and coaches. Not in a cocky way but more just matter of fact “we’ve got this” But I’m not ready to go as far as Shake n BLake about the division. The Ravens have improved their roster better than us and Monken has helped a ton. Stefanski maybe has done the best job but they are all about the trenches. So looking at our games in the division the Browns first game is no indicator with Joe hobbled. The first Ravens game Joe was hobbled we barely lost. The second Raven’s game we took the lead when Joe got hurt 10-7. The second Steelers game was bad especially the defense. To me it’s all about the OL. We can’t run the freaking ball.

(12-27-2023, 06:27 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: True. I guess Cowher had never done anything besides make a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell and be a consistent contender even with Kordell Stewart.

And also set Tomlin up for early success that he has since failed to replicate.

(12-27-2023, 07:05 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Shake my friend I am disappointed in you continuously giving Cowherpes a pass. 

Cowherpes had two wins automatically each year during the Bengals 90's. He had his thugs go after Palmer. Was and still is a Bengals hater.
The one and only Championship this D*** had was tainted over the Seahawks. 
 
Cowherpes is a dirtbag scum. 

(12-27-2023, 06:53 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I just wonder why we struggle so mightily vs the division, but despite our issues and injuries, we're cruising vs everyone else.

8-2 vs non-division
99.0 passer rating for Joe and Jake, with 18 TD's to 8 INT's
87.9 rush yards per game with 10 TD's in 10 games
110.2 rush yards allowed with 10 TD's in 10 games
Our offense averages 25.0 ppg
Our defense allows 21.0 ppg

0-5 vs division
77.0 passer rating for Joe and Jake, with 5 TD's to 5 INT's
72.2 rush yards per game with 0 TD's in 5 games
161.4 rush yards allowed with 7 TD's in 5 games
Our offense averages 13.6 ppg
Our defense allows 27.0 ppg

Whatever problems we do have are heavily magnified in this division. We're actually passing really well outside of the division, and our run game is punching the ball into the EZ at least. Inside the division, our pass game and run game have both been stonewalled, and they've all been running the ball down our throat. AFCN football.

(12-27-2023, 06:10 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: So it's ok to trash Marvin who inherited a 2-14 team vs ZT who inherited a 6-10 team??

Before Marvin inherited our team when and who was the last coach that had a winning record??

P.S. Shame on you if you get that question wrong. 

Same question for ZT before he came here when and who was the last coach that had a winning record??

(12-27-2023, 08:16 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Why we struggled this year? I pointed it out earlier. Don’t be consumed with the stats. We aren’t built like the other 3. But we haven’t. They don’t match up with us. The first game (Pitt) Joe was what 65% ? Throw that out. The second game the Raven’s barely beat us. Joe was what 75%? The next game Pitt beat Jake Browning 16-10. The next game vs Ravens we lead 10-7 Joe goes down. Jake takes on Pitt we have our big whiff. This team is not a grind it out in the run game team. It’s lead by Joe on a quick accurate and passing game augmented by receivers that are pure mismatches. But saying it’s failed isn’t accurate. In 21-22 we were 7-6. We won the division back to back. We’ve got some trench issues. We need to be more successful in the run game plain and simple.

(12-27-2023, 11:51 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: We don't have Joe and we can't run or stop the run. Like I said, these are magnified in the AFCN. Do we really disagree all that much, here?

Fwiw, Browning has been great outside the division and terrible in the division, and I'm not sure "no Joe" explains that. Other than the defenses are better.

Joe was also better outside of the division, himself.

(12-28-2023, 01:02 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Again you are focusing on this year. In 21-22 we were back to back division winners and had a 7-6 record. This year tough to measure for the reasons I said. You have to throw them all out we aren’t geared to win in this division without Joe.

(12-27-2023, 06:10 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: So it's ok to trash Marvin who inherited a 2-14 team vs ZT who inherited a 6-10 team??

Before Marvin inherited our team when and who was the last coach that had a winning record??

P.S. Shame on you if you get that question wrong. 

Same question for ZT before he came here when and who was the last coach that had a winning record??

(12-27-2023, 06:27 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Sure. If he makes the HOF, he should thank Cowher first in his speech. That's all I'm saying.


True. I guess Cowher had never done anything besides make a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell and be a consistent contender even with Kordell Stewart.

And also set Tomlin up for early success that he has since failed to replicate.


Right on. My point wasn't to pump up Cowher so much as be honest about the current overrated dude pacing the sidelines in Pittsburgh.

Zac Taylor has more playoff wins in the last 2 years than Tomlin has in his last 12.


Fair. Joe hasn't been healthy all year. I just wonder why we're 8-2 outside the division, but 0-5 within the AFCN.

The games aren't even close, really. I do think Zac will adjust, and hopefully we have a healthy Joe next year.

(12-28-2023, 01:36 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Other teams are capable of catching up or getting better. We had a target on our backs and teams in our division drafted to stop us.

I'm not saying I know the answer at all. I am just raising a very fair question. Have the teams in the rest of our division caught up?

Obviously we have a built in excuse with Joe, but any way we look at this, 0-5 with 3 butt kickings mixed is discouraging. 

If we are that reliant on Joe, maybe we shouldn't be.

Also, does it say something that even at our best, we were 7-6 in the division? That's mediocre.

(12-28-2023, 04:18 AM)WychesWarrior Wrote: I think Joe overcomes a lack of physicality with this team by being overwhelmingly prepared and quick at dissecting what he sees. That's why we can compete in this division with him, and run with the modern NFL against everyone else. We definitely get outphysicaled a lot in our division.

(12-28-2023, 04:18 AM)Wyche Wrote: I think Joe overcomes a lack of physicality with this team by being overwhelmingly prepared and quick at dissecting what he sees. That's why we can compete in this division with him, and run with the modern NFL against everyone else. We definitely get outphysicaled a lot in our division.

(12-28-2023, 06:28 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: You're probably right, but man... 161 rush yards allowed, per game? That's atrocious. How about we all meet in the middle and say "no Joe" is the biggest problem, but we have some other major issues we should probably look at? Not that any of us are really disagreeing that much.

Tbh, I think Zac should look at a new OL coach while also seeing if he can do anything scheme-wise to protect Joe. Then look at beefing up the front 7 or front 6 or whatever it is these days.

What's strange is that I remember going at Anarumo the first couple years, because teams were rushing for 200 on us every other week.

Then over the last couple years, those problems mostly disappeared. Now they're back. Not really sure why.

(12-28-2023, 06:44 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Sadly has Zac fired anybody? Pollack is Mike Browns guy. Turner offered to quit long before Zac pulled the trigger. I know Al Golden left but he thought he was the smartest guy in the room and was itching to get back to giving orders not taking them. Zac made some early changes but things are pretty settled in. I think Zac needs an OL coach who can help scheme a better run game and evaluate better.

(12-27-2023, 07:40 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I agree. He was also better than Tomlin and set Tomlin up for success that Tomlin has failed to replicate in the last 13 years.

I just look at the players that led to Tomlin's best success and 90% of them were drafted by Cowher. Dlck was also a huge reason for that success, and again, he was a Cowher guy.

If Tomlin had done much of note in the last 13 years, I'd agree with you. He hasn't. Tomlin also had 2 free wins against the Browns and tbh the Bengals for most of his career.

You can not like a guy or his teams and still be honest.