(02-07-2025, 10:57 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: You keep throwing the word assume in my lil friend..Have you not been paying attention the past two years..specific to higgins health or lack thereof..there is no assumption only facts that you fail to recognize and accept....secondly..he has  chronic  high proximal tendionapthy..these  are non contact injuries  that never fully go away..if anything they get worse

(02-06-2025, 02:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Yuuuup. It's not any form of sacrifice or compromise at all. It's not like he's taking a paycut or anything, so it's not news.

The Bengals were already going to be cheap when it comes to guaranteed money because of it having to go into escrow or being paid immediately. Restructuring is just more money that needs to be paid now on top of Chase's guaranteed money, Hendrickson's guaranteed money, Tee's guaranteed money, and now Burrow's restructured bonus.... and we haven't even begun to add anyone to actually improve the team yet. So I don't see the Bengals FO suddenly pulling $300m in liquid cash out of their asses and either spending it immediately or putting it into escrow.

(02-06-2025, 02:46 PM)ERIC1 Wrote: and these "great players together."..as it now stands give us a .500 franchise..and the one great player Higgins..plays only 50% of offensive snaps in the season because of chronic injuries

(02-07-2025, 10:37 AM)ERIC1 Wrote: I dont assume anything ..Higgins has missed a third of the season the past two years and many games that he has played in he is pulled early beacause of his hamstring issues..Are you not paying attention

(02-07-2025, 01:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Please show us where Tee missed 11+ games in 2023 and 2024. I think you are exaggerating to make your point.

(02-07-2025, 12:51 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "cash strapped" is such a terrible term to use with revenue sharing and the massive mountains of money the NFL makes every year.

(02-07-2025, 10:41 AM)Tomkat Wrote: You cannot just assume he'll be injured like it's a foregone conclusion.  That's like thinking red or black is "due" to come up on a roulette wheel.
Is it possible he'll get injured?  Sure, but anyone can get injured.  Tee is good enough to be worth that risk.

(02-07-2025, 01:28 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Please show us where Tee missed 11+ games in 2023 and 2024. I think you are exaggerating to make your point.

(02-07-2025, 01:23 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote:

(02-07-2025, 01:35 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I never used that term. 

It's true they don't have the same amount of liquid cash on hand as other owners, but also they just are cheap and looking at it 100% as a business rather than 50% a business and 50% a status symbol/hobby/pasttime like other owners. It's a matter of them thinking that if they can get that $300m to $100m and push the other $200m to way in the future, that's $200m that they get months or even years to make money off of rather than letting someone else make that money.

Once the money is in escrow, they can't invest it and make money off it.

For example if they push even $20m in guarantees to 2027 rather than having to put them in escrow now, and they make 5% off it through investments for those two years, and that's $2,050,000 that they get back in their pockets. 

Meanwhile players want those signing bonuses because that's money that THEY can make money off of now.

(02-07-2025, 01:32 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: I think 2023 and 2024 combined he missed 11 games

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(02-07-2025, 12:51 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: "cash strapped" is such a terrible term to use with revenue sharing and the massive mountains of money the NFL makes every year. In the last 3 year alone, the Bengals have received over 1B dollars from the NFL. They've owned the team since its inception. Does anyone really think this org ever operates at a defecit? Ever?

They have plenty of money and plenty of that money could be put in escrow easily. All that's doing is moving it around. It's not like they're handing it over immediately to never be seen again. The Bengals value is over 5B now, which is very low if not the lowest in the league, so while they're comparatively poor to the rest of the NFL teams, they're not nearly too poor to be able to put money aside for multiple players. 

The one thing the Bengals absolutely do hate to do is pay someone's contract, when they're not still employed by the team. That's where the snag always comes in. The guaranteed money. They seemingly can't fathom the thought of having to pay someone without some ROI. That's why they hang on to players and coaches way longer than anyone else. They don't want to have to double up on salaries. They will wring every available dollar from a contract before moving on, with very limited exceptions.

btw, this isn't a lecture @ you. I'm just replying to this post after reading and getting thoughts from several others.

(02-06-2025, 06:41 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Yeah. If we buy the drop off is due to injury (Hubbard, Cappa), then a replacement may not be necessary. Rankins could be in that category as well. 

But LG needs upgraded even if Cappa rebounds. And Hubbard isn't a great pass rusher even at his best. And even with Rankins, we still need DT help. 

If we can get Tee, Chase, Trey, Mike G. and the Burrow restructure done quickly, it will help us attract other guys in FA. It will show we are serious about being a contender. 

A ring chaser/vet would have us on their list then. Some maybe be cheap (Calais Campbell at DT), mid-range (Zeitler at RG, Tart at DT), or even high end (Smith at RG). 

(02-07-2025, 03:17 PM)jj22 Wrote: Joe ain't appreciate shading his defense. As bad as they was.

(02-06-2025, 02:11 PM)jason Wrote: Pissing off your meal ticket franchise QB is even more foolish. He's not putting this out there just to say it. He will go out like Carson Palmer if this is botched. The difference is Palmer made these statements behind closed doors, and we were all shocked when the demand came. Burrow knows this franchise mishandled everything during the previous two QB's second contract. He's not going to stand for it, nor should he.

(02-08-2025, 08:59 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Brilliant response.  +1.

Unlike Carson Palmer, Joe Burrow has a Super Bowl appearance and two appearances in the AFC Championship to his credit; Mikey Boy knows it, too.  Also, Tee Higgins and Ja’Marr chase are complementary receivers because when both players are on the field the Bengals have a much more potent passing offense.  It is relatively easy for a secondary to roll coverage toward either Ja’Marr Chase or Tee Higgins if only one of them is on the field. Look at the games where one or the other was injured and on the sideline.  

Joe Burrow is offering a restructuring of his contract and this is proof he wants to win, not just to get paid.  The Front Office needs to understand the importance of keeping both Chase and Higgins in Cincinnati.

(02-07-2025, 03:09 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: He did miss 10 games, 5 each in 2023 and 2024. That is not 1/3 as was claimed. He missed 29%. Yes, still a huge number and a concern.