(01-24-2016, 11:28 PM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote: I personally wanted a Brady v. Newton Superbowl where the Patriots blew out the Panthers. I have a serious disdain for Cam Newton. Also, Brady winning the Superbowl over Cam Newton would be a huge f you to Roger Goodell, which is always a plus!

(01-25-2016, 04:26 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Seriously?  This is your take?  "His receivers are garbage"?

By your standards, Marvin Jones - Garbage.  Mo Sanu - Garbage.  AJ Green - overrated.

If you think Ginn isn't a good WR then your ability to assess talent is in question.

Miami - a terrible franchise that didn't know how to use him.  He is fast. He takes off the top of the defense.  Of course if you only send him deep with a QB that can't throw deep, his stats will reflect that. 

SF - another organization that didn't have a QB that could throw deep. 

AZ - didn't have Palmer to throw to him when he was there.

Ginn developed a reputation as a WR that "couldn't hold onto the ball" due to people listening to the media.  I can't tell you how many times this season, the analyst would say that he has a problem with dropped passes, only for him to make a great catch.  Any time he dropped a pass, you would hear them get ready to pile on that he drops passes, only for him to come back and make the catch.

Does he catch everything?  No, but find me a WR who does.  Does his speed give him an element that helps the Panthers?  Yep.  His ability to go deep means that the defenses have to account for him, because if they don't and he is Cam's primary target, you now have a guy completely wide open for Cam to throw to.

The fact that you think Funchess, a rookie WR, "looked like a bust" is very telling on how much you have bought into the Cam hype.

Stewart hasn't been as injured as you make him out to be.  Olsen is one of the top TEs in the league.

Want some proof that scheme is important to how a player performs?  Jimmy Graham, great in NO, not so great in Seattle.

Matt Cassell tore it up in NE when he covered for Brady - not so good elsewhere

Mike Wallace was good in Pittsburgh - hasn't wowed since leaving.

TJ Housh - was a favorite Bengal - then failed in Seattle and Baltimore.

I could go on.  I hope you get the point.

(01-25-2016, 01:02 PM)BritishBengal Wrote: Way to mask the truth with stating only their draft position. His weapons are Ted Ginn, a (up until this season) monumental draft bust who has hopped from team to team. Philly Brown an undrafted WR from OSU. A solid TE in Olson, but was far from elite and Jonathan Stewart, talented, but oft injured. Those are his starting weapons. Now going into the season, I think there is little doubt he had the weakest talent of any team in the NFL on paper. The fact they have flourished is undoubtedly in large part down to Cam. 


How should he react? Be happy? Or present himself to the media like every other QB? Pretend it doesn't hurt and only look forward to the next game?H

(01-25-2016, 07:20 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: really stats?  Stats can be very misleading...

Ted Ginn - 44 catches  for 739 yrds at 16.8 per.  10 TDs (that is a good year) 10 at more than 20 plus, 5 at 40 plus and 36 for a 1st down.

Guess how many fumbles he has?  For a guy that has terrible hands, he has 0 fumbles, and only 3 in his ENTIRE career.


So stop.  His hands are fine.  The route running isn't his greatest strength.

(01-25-2016, 10:03 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Going down with the ship, eh captain?  For the record, Ted Ginn is not a #1 WR, nor is he a #2 on any but the most decrepit WR corps.  Ginn has been a journeyman WR for a majority of his career, and retains roster spots primarily due to special teams value.  He's the classic situational deep threat with questionable mitts

(01-26-2016, 01:26 AM)tlotharw Wrote: He's also in the Super Bowl.

(01-25-2016, 09:54 AM)Savagehenry54 Wrote: If Dalton hadn't got hurt he'd have met cam there.

(01-25-2016, 04:37 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: However, he does have an ego.  I personally don't like the showboating.  This year he deserved it and I would have backed him if he only showboated this year.  However, he was showboating ever since coming into the league.  Kinda like Hill.  Last year, no issue with the TD celebrations.  This year?  I wanted him to stop.  He didn't earn the right to celebrate.

(01-25-2016, 04:26 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Seriously?  This is your take?  "His receivers are garbage"?

By your standards, Marvin Jones - Garbage.  Mo Sanu - Garbage.  AJ Green - overrated.

If you think Ginn isn't a good WR then your ability to assess talent is in question.

Miami - a terrible franchise that didn't know how to use him.  He is fast. He takes off the top of the defense.  Of course if you only send him deep with a QB that can't throw deep, his stats will reflect that. 

SF - another organization that didn't have a QB that could throw deep. 

AZ - didn't have Palmer to throw to him when he was there.

Ginn developed a reputation as a WR that "couldn't hold onto the ball" due to people listening to the media.  I can't tell you how many times this season, the analyst would say that he has a problem with dropped passes, only for him to make a great catch.  Any time he dropped a pass, you would hear them get ready to pile on that he drops passes, only for him to come back and make the catch.

Does he catch everything?  No, but find me a WR who does.  Does his speed give him an element that helps the Panthers?  Yep.  His ability to go deep means that the defenses have to account for him, because if they don't and he is Cam's primary target, you now have a guy completely wide open for Cam to throw to.

The fact that you think Funchess, a rookie WR, "looked like a bust" is very telling on how much you have bought into the Cam hype.

Stewart hasn't been as injured as you make him out to be.  Olsen is one of the top TEs in the league.

Want some proof that scheme is important to how a player performs?  Jimmy Graham, great in NO, not so great in Seattle.

Matt Cassell tore it up in NE when he covered for Brady - not so good elsewhere

Mike Wallace was good in Pittsburgh - hasn't wowed since leaving.

TJ Housh - was a favorite Bengal - then failed in Seattle and Baltimore.

I could go on.  I hope you get the point.

(01-26-2016, 08:53 AM)BritishBengal Wrote: Fyi- I never said Funchess looked like a bust, that was someone else.

(01-26-2016, 04:47 PM)BayouBengal Wrote: Most Alabama fans hated old Scam with a passion, but like me some UA fans have come around on him. Maybe it's because we just won yet another National Championship with Super Saban or maybe it's because feelgood Cam stories saturate ESPN right now. Either way lately I've been thinking that he's really gotten a bad rap yet played good football despite it.

He bought a laptop that he should have known was stolen and his dad was allegedly on the phone when money was discussed for his transfer to AU. Neither allegation held up yet both haunted him. He still won a JuCo NatC his first year playing and then the CFB NatC the next year. Then he goes to the NFL and you can't deny he has lived up to expectations in Carolina. I don't believe anybody expected him to be such a community figure there to boot.

The dude just plays with his emotions on his sleeve. What more do you want from the guy? To not dance? Well then keep him out of the damn endzone you salty bastards!

(01-26-2016, 04:47 PM)BayouBengal Wrote: Most Alabama fans hated old Scam with a passion, but like me some UA fans have come around on him. Maybe it's because we just won yet another National Championship with Super Saban or maybe it's because feelgood Cam stories saturate ESPN right now. Either way lately I've been thinking that he's really gotten a bad rap yet played good football despite it.

He bought a laptop that he should have known was stolen and his dad was allegedly on the phone when money was discussed for his transfer to AU. Neither allegation held up yet both haunted him. He still won a JuCo NatC his first year playing and then the CFB NatC the next year. Then he goes to the NFL and you can't deny he has lived up to expectations in Carolina. I don't believe anybody expected him to be such a community figure there to boot.

The dude just plays with his emotions on his sleeve. What more do you want from the guy? To not dance? Well then keep him out of the damn endzone you salty bastards!

(01-25-2016, 07:20 PM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: really stats?  Stats can be very misleading...

Ted Ginn - 44 catches  for 739 yrds at 16.8 per.  10 TDs (that is a good year) 10 at more than 20 plus, 5 at 40 plus and 36 for a 1st down.

Guess how many fumbles he has?  For a guy that has terrible hands, he has 0 fumbles, and only 3 in his ENTIRE career.


So stop.  His hands are fine.  The route running isn't his greatest strength.

(01-27-2016, 07:59 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: Fumbles have nothing to do with hands.

Fitzgerald had 2 fumbles this season. So you're going to tell me you take Ginn's hands over Fitz's?

Ginn does have bad hands. And bad route running. All he has is speed. When you drop 10 passes and only caught 44, that's not good. No one who caught 40 or more passes has a higher drop percentage.

Plus, you can just watch the game tape. Did you see how he dropped a TD pass in the Monday night game against the Colts that would have won that game?

Ginn isn't a #1 receiver. He's not good. He is a beneficiary of Newton. As are all those receivers.