(07-16-2015, 02:21 AM)BayouBengal Wrote: I agree with everything Kirkpatrick says in this interview, it's worth a watch.

http://www.si.com/nfl/video/2015/07/15/cincinnati-bengals-andy-dalton-aj-mccarron-dre-kirkpatrick

(07-13-2015, 02:24 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Actually OSUFan fits your description, he hates the SEC and states that McCarron is a crappy system Qb that had NFL level talent all around him and has no chance to make it in the NFL.

Also at this point no fan (other than those that went to minicamp) has seen him do anything yet, other than his coaches and fellow players (which are both giving some seriously good praise for him).

(07-16-2015, 02:50 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Well I posted a list of different QBs from the SEC and I don't hate the conference, but it is hard to not notice that the QBs from Alabama, LSU, and Florida the top teams that get all the talent, seem to never make it in the NFL. Guys who have to work with less, are used to it and know how to win.

As for coaches and players praising him, that's great and I hope he does well, but let's keep in mind these are the same coaches that praised Armon Binns at the same time of year.

(07-16-2015, 10:12 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Why does everyone seem to cap on Binns?
Comparing him vs McCarron is unrealistic. Binns was a UDFA, McCarron was not.

The guy was playing very well as a Rookie WR, yes he had some up and downs. Hawkins emerged as our slot and made Binns 2nd string. He was waived because Kyle Cook was coming off of PUP. Claimed by Miami, finished out as well as he could considering he didn't know the offense, then the next year tore his ACL and MCL before the season started. Then at the end of the year was cut by Miami. Now he's with the Chiefs and hopefully he will find his way back to the field this year.

McCarron has had time to learn the playbook and is now going into his 2nd year. He was also ranked much higher that where he was drafted at, he fell due to his shoulder injury. 

Anyone that thinks that a UDFA WR can come in and take over is really delusional, WR's drafted in the first 2 round can barely do that.

(07-16-2015, 02:50 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Great job by Dre of dealing with the media.  The reporter really tried to bait him into saying that Andy needed someone to push him to make him work harder, by Dre wouldn't fall for it.

(07-16-2015, 10:12 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Why does everyone seem to cap on Binns?

(07-16-2015, 10:19 AM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: It isn't unrealistic.
It's comparing the absurd hype two players who had never taken a meaningful NFL snap before received. It's completely fair. 

People get on Binns because he sucked. He wasn't good. He wasn't playing very well. And it wasn't his rookie year. 
If you are going to say people got it wrong, make sure you got it right at least. 

200 yards and 1 TD is very well now? Good grief. 

(07-16-2015, 11:37 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Because he is the ultimate proof of how silly hype can be about a player who has never played snap in an NFL game.

(07-16-2015, 01:52 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I thought he was a solid pick for a backup QB behind Dalton. I doubt he becomes a star here
though cause i think that Dalton will have a big bounce back year and put up big numbers.

But if Dalton continues the slide he was on last year WITH his weapons i sure hope McCarron
is up to the task...

(07-16-2015, 01:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: You're right, it was his second year, first year off of the PS. 
No matter though, he was still a UDFA, and it usually takes 3 years to learn the WR position for top end draftees, so expecting him to make that big of a jump is kinda silly.

From what I can tell, no one is really expecting McCarron to come in and light it up this year. Most of us understand that it's AD's job to lose. However, once given a chance, McCarron might surprise people.

PS Do you realize that those stats are only from 5 games?

Kinda like how almost all teams do with their younger guys?

Why are you 2 rooting against a Bengal player? To me it really sounds like you don't want McCarron to be a success.

(07-16-2015, 02:17 PM)Wyche Wrote: No doubt, or we are screwed!

(07-16-2015, 01:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Why are you 2 rooting against a Bengal player? To me it really sounds like you don't want McCarron to be a success.

(07-16-2015, 03:41 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Best case scenario mccarron never needs to see the field in a bengals uniform.

Kinda funny you say it like that cause that would mean that everyone rooting for mccarron to be a big success if rooting against another bengals player named Dalton.

If dalton is hurt/traded/released  then will be the time to root for mccarron.   Right now i just want to see him in some preseason action.   but hoping hes the next starter for the team would mean something bad for either Dalton or the Bengals as a whole how could a fan ever root for that?

(07-16-2015, 03:41 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Best case scenario mccarron never needs to see the field in a bengals uniform.

Kinda funny you say it like that cause that would mean that everyone rooting for mccarron to be a big success if rooting against another bengals player named Dalton.

If dalton is hurt/traded/released  then will be the time to root for mccarron.   Right now i just want to see him in some preseason action.   but hoping hes the next starter for the team would mean something bad for either Dalton or the Bengals as a whole how could a fan ever root for that?

(07-16-2015, 01:43 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Why are you 2 rooting against a Bengal player? To me it really sounds like you don't want McCarron to be a success.

(07-16-2015, 03:58 PM)djs7685 Wrote: Actually, I think the best case scenario would be that AJM lights it up in preseason. Then Andy has an Aaron Rodgers-esque season and we're winning by so many points that AJM plays the entire 2nd half in most games and lights it up against 1st string defenses throughout the whole season. We win the Super Bowl with Andy having a 150 passer rating and then we trade AJM for 3 future first round picks right before the draft. He then decides to retire from football (don't want to wish injury on any player) so that team no longer has the great AJ McCarron and we have all of their first round picks for the next few years. Wooo!

But yeah, if McCarron doesn't see the field we're probably in better shape than if he needs to. There are definitely delusional people on both sides of the argument. I see no reason that people wouldn't want him to be good, but I also don't see why people want us to be in position where he'd need to be playing.

(07-16-2015, 10:12 AM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Why does everyone seem to cap on Binns?
Comparing him vs McCarron is unrealistic. Binns was a UDFA, McCarron was not.

The guy was playing very well as a Rookie WR, yes he had some up and downs. Hawkins emerged as our slot and made Binns 2nd string. He was waived because Kyle Cook was coming off of PUP. Claimed by Miami, finished out as well as he could considering he didn't know the offense, then the next year tore his ACL and MCL before the season started. Then at the end of the year was cut by Miami. Now he's with the Chiefs and hopefully he will find his way back to the field this year.

McCarron has had time to learn the playbook and is now going into his 2nd year. He was also ranked much higher that where he was drafted at, he fell due to his shoulder injury. 

Anyone that thinks that a UDFA WR can come in and take over is really delusional, WR's drafted in the first 2 round can barely do that.

(07-16-2015, 10:19 AM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: It isn't unrealistic.
It's comparing the absurd hype two players who had never taken a meaningful NFL snap before received. It's completely fair. 

People get on Binns because he sucked. He wasn't good. He wasn't playing very well. And it wasn't his rookie year. 
If you are going to say people got it wrong, make sure you got it right at least. 

200 yards and 1 TD is very well now? Good grief. 

(07-16-2015, 03:58 PM)djs7685 Wrote: Actually, I think the best case scenario would be that AJM lights it up in preseason. Then Andy has an Aaron Rodgers-esque season and we're winning by so many points that AJM plays the entire 2nd half in most games and lights it up against 1st string defenses throughout the whole season. We win the Super Bowl with Andy having a 150 passer rating and then we trade AJM for 3 future first round picks right before the draft. He then decides to retire from football (don't want to wish injury on any player) so that team no longer has the great AJ McCarron and we have all of their first round picks for the next few years. Wooo!

But yeah, if McCarron doesn't see the field we're probably in better shape than if he needs to. There are definitely delusional people on both sides of the argument. I see no reason that people wouldn't want him to be good, but I also don't see why people want us to be in position where he'd need to be playing.

(07-16-2015, 02:19 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: 5 games. 5 unimpressive not good games. 40 yards a game is not good. Stop making bullshit excuses.

Do you not see the title of this thread? Or the countless others? Dalton is a winning QB with 4 years of playoff births. But people are talking like McCarron could win the job tomorrow.

No one is rooting against him, we just aren't dropping trou at some lame rookie camp hype. Being skeptical is not the same is rooting against, but I guess I could see how you see it that way...not really but considering you think Armon Binns was "very good" a legitimate football discussion is unlikely