(04-17-2021, 02:14 PM)coachmcneil71 Wrote: Not sure why the oline guys are overlooking Trey Smith out of Tennessee? I haven't really noticed anyone mentioning him. He's a beast. Can play inside or OT in a pinch.

(04-20-2021, 02:47 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Think a lot of it is because of the blood clots that evidently he is over with anyways. 

Yes Trey Smith is another I would really like.

(04-20-2021, 02:47 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Think a lot of it is because of the blood clots that evidently he is over with anyways. 

Yes Trey Smith is another I would really like.

(04-19-2021, 06:20 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Is this a joke? Chase TORCHED every DB the SEC had. 2 or 3 of them first round picks. 1 a top 10 pick, if I recall, and they both did well in the League as rookies. Chase absolutely lit a gasoline fire on them.

(04-19-2021, 06:20 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Is this a joke? Chase TORCHED every DB the SEC had. 2 or 3 of them first round picks. 1 a top 10 pick, if I recall, and they both did well in the League as rookies. Chase absolutely lit a gasoline fire on them.

(04-21-2021, 04:08 PM)yang Wrote: I think it was 6 NFL corners and top college defenses ending up with torching AJ Terrell in the championship game 3 straight times when they tried to play him man.  This can't be understated enough.  Chase basically dictates what defenses will do which is important.  Good luck playing press man on him.  This really plays into Zach's offensive schemes and Burrow's strengths attacking zones.  Chase did not need to play last year because he already showed all he needed too.

(04-21-2021, 04:25 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: I see your point, but when you have 2 other 1st round NFL WRs and a 1st round RB out of the backfield, it's not really far to say that Chase was dictating what was going on.  Teams just picked their poison.  Sometimes teams reduced his effectiveness (Georgia 3/41, OU 2/61, Mississippi State 5/48 etc.) while Jefferson would roll up big numbers.

I also wonder what he would have looked like playing with a QB other than Burrow, because he didn't do much his freshman year.

I have no doubt that he will be a top 10 WR in a couple years, but I still struggle to figure out if he's a better pick than Sewell.

(04-21-2021, 04:53 PM)PDub80 Wrote: Jefferson going in the first was a bit of a surprise. It was actually Tee Higgins projected around there and then, draft day, that kind of flipped. CEH to the Cheifs was also a shocker. He was a projected mid 2nd rounder, as well. Neither of those guys were considered anywhere near the prospect Chase was after that 2019 season. Nowhere close.

I think that if we analyzed Kyle Pitts numbers we would see similar things, right? The biggest difference is that Chase was battling the #1 CB from most of these teams. He torched the 4 SEC CBs taken 9, 16, 30, & 51(?) in last year's draft for 30 catches, 600+ yards, and 5 TDs in 4 games. Some of them HUGE games. He was in the spotlight and outshined them all. The Bengals NEED that kind of person.

In Pitts, we would see a very bland 2019. He had 1 big game against LSU for 108 yards and then a bunch of 4 catch performances.

- The offense LSU ran Chase's freshman year was archaic and ultra old school - even with Burrow there. Burrow played at LSU in 2018. This was discussed a ton on different podcasts last year when analyzing Joe Brady's change to a more wide open concept and debating if Joe Burrow was a "1 year wonder". I don't blame anyone for not going to the moon with their output in 2018. It was an old system ran and designed by an old man. The consensus was: Joe Burrow and the LSU guys were allowed to play to the best of their abilities and the handcuffs came off in 2019. THAT is why they all exploded.

Teams can focus and take guys away. That happens in the NFL as well. The Bengals have weapons to make teams pay when they do that. Higgins, Boyd, Mixon... all strong. BTW, they need more weapons, IMO. They will take another WR later in the draft. I have no doubts. I wouldn't hate a RB higher, either.

Fun fact about Jamaar Chase: Even though he didn't play football, I believe he stayed at LSU and got his degree. I thought that was interesting.

Bottom line for me: The Bengals NEED playmakers AND O-Line help. The MUST get better there. Pitts, Chase, Sewell... or whoever... this draft, for me, is about rounds 2-4. That is where the money is made in this draft. Starters are there to be had. Any of the above 3 in round 1 I am A ok with. Any of them. hell, I am fine with a trade back and taking Darrisaw. A lot of paths for success lie ahead for the Bengals.

(04-21-2021, 05:03 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Agree with everything you say, except this.  There's always 2-3 truly elite prospects in the draft.  If you can get one of them, you take one.  

Lawerence, Pitts, Sewell, Chase - and then theres a major drop-off to tier 2.  If we go Chase, then the real need is at OG, and there should be a great OG prospect in the 2nd.

If we go Sewell, I wouldn't mind trading back into the late first round if there theres a WR that really fits the bill (I personally think there will be a very good WR available in round 2)

(04-22-2021, 09:58 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: We are running an outsize zone concept under Pollack.  I have no idea why I see so many mentions of Cleveland, Smith, and Carman.  Those guys are all classic power man interior olineman.  They arent really scheme fits and I would be suprised if we were even looking at any of them at all.  We will be looking at guys like cosmi, radunz, kendrick green and guys that will fit better in a wide zone scheme.  We will be looking for olineman that can beat the defense to a spot rather than a pure mauler to create space.

(04-22-2021, 09:58 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: We are running an outsize zone concept under Pollack.  I have no idea why I see so many mentions of Cleveland, Smith, and Carman.  Those guys are all classic power man interior olineman.  They arent really scheme fits and I would be suprised if we were even looking at any of them at all.  We will be looking at guys like cosmi, radunz, kendrick green and guys that will fit better in a wide zone scheme.  We will be looking for olineman that can beat the defense to a spot rather than a pure mauler to create space.

(04-22-2021, 10:13 AM)Big Boss Wrote: What about Alex Leatherwood and Aaron Banks?  Are they fits?

(04-22-2021, 10:13 AM)Big Boss Wrote: What about Alex Leatherwood and Aaron Banks?  Are they fits?

(04-22-2021, 09:58 AM)mikey6866 Wrote: We are running an outsize zone concept under Pollack.  I have no idea why I see so many mentions of Cleveland, Smith, and Carman.  Those guys are all classic power man interior olineman.  They arent really scheme fits and I would be suprised if we were even looking at any of them at all.  We will be looking at guys like cosmi, radunz, kendrick green and guys that will fit better in a wide zone scheme.  We will be looking for olineman that can beat the defense to a spot rather than a pure mauler to create space.

(04-22-2021, 12:48 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Good point, I would put Eichenberg on the list of guys that fit the outside zone along with Spencer Brown.

Still like the way those power guys move. You never know...

If you are athletic enough to play in an outside zone is it possible for a classic power man IOL to play in it?

(04-22-2021, 10:18 PM)mikey6866 Wrote:  He weighed in about 20 pounds lighter than listed playing weight but no way to know how his movement skills looked.  If he looked great after shedding that 20 lbs I wouldent hesitate to take him in rd 2.

(04-21-2021, 03:51 PM)Hammerstripes Wrote: Yes, he had 1 outstanding year where it was impossible to double team the guy because of Jefferson, Marshall, Moss, Edwards-Helaire.