(04-08-2020, 11:07 AM)Nately120 Wrote: [quote pid='853139' dateline='1586351693']
I'd rather see Burrow come in and throw double-digit picks playing the same style of football we saw at LSU than have him show up and throw single-digit picks playing a conservative style of football like what we have become accustomed to seeing around here. I think his numbers will be pretty good but unless they ruin him, the guy takes chances and he is going to throw some picks as he adjusts to the NFL and learns which throws get him into trouble at this level.

(04-08-2020, 01:52 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Fingers crossed and all, but if Ross plays a big part in this season I expect INTs.

(04-08-2020, 03:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Dalton vs Burrow rookie year surrounding cast comparison...

WR1: AJ Green (Healthy) vs AJ Green (32, broken) = Advantage Dalton
WR2: Jerome Simpson vs Tyler Boyd = Huge Advantage Burrow
WR3: Andre Caldwell vs John Ross = Push
RB: Cedric Benson vs Joe Mixon =  Small Advantage Burrow
TE: Jermaine Gresham vs CJ Uzomah = Huge Advantage Dalton

LT: Andrew Whitworth vs Jonah Williams = ENORMOUS Advantage Dalton
LG: Nate Livings vs Michael Jordan = Push
C: Kyle Cook vs Trey Hopkins = Push
RG: Bobbie Williams vs Xavier Su'a-Filo = Small Advantage Dalton
RT: Andre Smith vs Bobby Hart = Huge Advantage Dalton

OC: Jay Gruden vs Zac Taylor/Brian Callahan = Huge Advantage Dalton

- - - - - - - -

That's 6 for Dalton, 2 for Burrow, and 3 Pushes in my mind.

It might be comparable numbers with Dalton's rookie season, but it wouldn't be a let down because Dalton had a better OL and a far better OC than Burrow will.

(04-08-2020, 02:11 PM)Nately120 Wrote: You mean that movie where Olivia newton john has magic rollerskates?

(04-08-2020, 06:29 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yes because throwing the ball to Ross is not just a job, it's an adventure.

(04-08-2020, 01:20 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Hopkins>Cook

(04-08-2020, 07:56 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: The problem I am having with your argument is that Burrow broke 7 or more records playing against SEC competition and broke several records against Clemson in the National Title game.  Dalton played against Wisconsin in a bowl game but much less competition.  Burrow is more talented than Dalton and just about any other QB coming out in the last 10 years at least statistically speaking.  Burrow makes others around him better.  Burrow will be much better than Dalton his first year at least in TD-INT ratio and completion percentage.  Not sure on total yards though.  

(04-08-2020, 10:10 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't know. Hopkins is average, Cook was average.

The only difference is that Cook played around Whitworth, Andre (when he was good), Zeitler, Boling, so average was "bad". Meanwhile Hopkins has played around Jordan, Hart, Price, etc so average comparatively looked great.


College records simply don't matter when it comes to NFL production.

Tim Tebow, Ryan Leaf, Matt Leinhart, Brady Quinn, David Carr, AJ McCarron, JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and a nearly endless amount more.

(04-08-2020, 06:29 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Yes because throwing the ball to Ross is not just a job, it's an adventure.

(04-08-2020, 10:54 PM)jason Wrote: For all of this talk of taking an LB at 33, I really want a top WR there. I'm beyond done with John Ross. I know it's a deep receiver class, but go get a really good one. AJ's on the back nine, and Ross sucks.

They can get crazy, and address LB in free agency AGAIN next year... Plus Vonn Bell can play a lil hybrid roll this year.

(04-08-2020, 10:53 PM)McC Wrote: So your list is a bunch of bums most people never really trusted in the first place, a guy who had it all but couldn't grow up till he hit 30, a second rounder who has been average at the least and a fifth rounder nobody ever saw as more than a backup.  And this is your proof that Joe Burrow won't make it.

(04-09-2020, 12:13 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: "A bunch of bums most people never really trusted in the first place."

Lol

As if I needed any more evidence that your take is bad. I also never said Joe Burrow won't make it. I said college records simply don't matter when it comes to NFL production.

AJ McCarron had the 3rd highest SEC single-season QB Rating of all time when he got drafted.
Tim Tebow had the 3rd AND 4th highest single-season QB Ratings in the SEC when he got drafted.
Tim Couch had the 2nd AND 3rd highest SEC single-season Passing TDs AND he had the record for most passing yards in SEC history for 20 years. (1997: Couch had 37 TD, Peyton Manning had 36 TD)
Derek Carr still holds his conference records for single-season passing yards and passing TDs.

You know who the winningest QB in NCAA history is? Kellen Moore at 50-3. He threw 142 TDs and had a better completion % than Joe Burrow.

College records don't matter in the NFL.

(04-09-2020, 01:08 AM)McC Wrote: The minute you bring JeMarcus Russell into your argument, it's obvious how desperate you are to shit on Burrow.  Only a desperate person would even use his name.

So, by your goofy thinking, nobody should ever draft a QB.

So, if you're laughably claiming you're doing a service by warning people not to expect a damn thing from Burrow, the first ten times accomplished that.  I hardly think it's enough of a point to spread it across every thread where the guy is even mentioned.

Fine, you are smarter than any analyst who goes on and on about the guy.  None of them know what they're talking about.  Only you have the real dope.  He's the next Tim Tebow.

Message received.  Save yourself a lot of google time.  We ***** get it, pal.

(04-09-2020, 01:28 AM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: JaMarcus Russel's final college year:
67.8% Completion
9.1 YPA
28 TD/8 INT
167.0 Rating

The dude was a 1st overall pick. Why would I not bring him up?

- - - - - - - - - - - -

You are really failing on reading comprehension, McC. I have said multiple times now that I am not saying Burrow will be a bust or terrible. I already predicted 20 TD/13 INT and said I could get behing Ochocincos' prediction of 23 TD/11 INT.

So your whole hyperbolic hissyfit about "nobody should ever draft a QB", "not expect a damn thing", and "he's the next Tim Tebow" (none of which I ever said or suggested) just makes you look like an ignorant person who didn't actually read a person's post before you clicked on quote because you equated cautioning realistic expectations as some kind of attack on Burrow.

That time of the month?

(04-08-2020, 10:54 PM)jason Wrote: For all of this talk of taking an LB at 33, I really want a top WR there. I'm beyond done with John Ross. I know it's a deep receiver class, but go get a really good one. AJ's on the back nine, and Ross sucks.

They can get crazy, and address LB in free agency AGAIN next year... Plus Vonn Bell can play a lil hybrid roll this year.

(04-08-2020, 11:04 PM)McC Wrote: Ross will get you some splash plays, but he would be better in a more complimentary occasionally used kind of role, like a WR3/4, which means hell yes, get a good one.

Some badass rookie to be the third wideout.  I love the possibilities.  Think back to when we had Chad/TJ/Slim.  That offense was hard to stop.  We have Chad and TJ.  Are any of these WRs Slim?

(04-09-2020, 03:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: 28 TD’s would be amazing. I would love for Mayfield’s record to only stand for 1 season.