(03-18-2023, 04:23 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I will agree to disagree. 

(03-18-2023, 04:24 PM)OSUfan Wrote: The point was that Bowers is running the same route tree that Washington is running because that is the Georgia offense.

(03-18-2023, 04:30 PM)Synric Wrote: Brock Bowers plays multiple positions he is an offensive weapon. He lines up at Y and Z receiver to go along with TE-F and H-back. What they did at Georgia is not even close to similar. 

(03-18-2023, 04:33 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: ...and think of the material for Chris Berman: “Burrow scores on a pass to the Island of Foster Moreau!”

(03-18-2023, 04:04 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: I dont have PFF so I can only see the free stuff but here is what is shows:

Foster Moreau 61.1 overall grade   49 targets   33 receptions   420 yards   2 TDs  12.7 ypc

Hayden Hurst 65.0 overall grade    65 targets   52 receptions   414 yards   2 TDs   8 ypc

so Moreau had 16 less targets, 19 less receptions yet still finished with 6 more yards and the same number of TDs.  Just looking at the stats and not seeing Moreau play, I would guess Moreau was used more as a downfield threat than Hurst. Its either that or he had more yards after the catch than Hurst.

(03-18-2023, 05:50 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I guess Moreau left without a contract. Oh well.

The #Saints hosted FA TE Foster Moreau on a visit, per @FieldYates. pic.twitter.com/CGl2jxcnaO

— NOF (@nofnetwork) March 18, 2023

(03-17-2023, 08:22 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Of course they didnt, they have a guy better than Gronk.  But thats the thing right?  A 1st rounder must have traits AND production.   He has 45 catches in 3 years.  His receiving ability in the NFL is unknown, a blocking TE without being a receiving threat is a tough gamble for aa already low value postion. 

Much of this argument came from the guys at PFF a few days ago.

(03-18-2023, 04:51 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: The raiders don’t have the weapons cincy does. Waller didn’t play at all last year

(03-18-2023, 06:13 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote:

The #Saints hosted FA TE Foster Moreau on a visit, per @FieldYates. pic.twitter.com/CGl2jxcnaO

— NOF (@nofnetwork) March 18, 2023

(03-18-2023, 07:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Is there no market for Dalton Schultz?

(03-18-2023, 07:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Is there no market for Dalton Schultz?

(03-18-2023, 07:19 PM)Synric Wrote: Is there no market for Dalton Schultz?

(03-18-2023, 03:50 PM)Synric Wrote: Even better Ill show you.

Here’s the TE route tree…

Pro I — Traditional Y (TE) alignment pic.twitter.com/GfNoMYkoSV

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) June 1, 2022

Ok the top TE route tree is nearly identical to what Hayden Hurst ran for the Bengals last year. See how its all breaking route off the main clear route? This is not going to be Darnell Washington. Michael Mayer, Dalton Kincaid, and Luke Musgrave are more suited for this. These require alot more stop start and short area quickness.

Now the second one has Darnell Washington's game all over it. The these routes let him run and really eat field with his long legs. Alot of play action routes in there that is going to let him get down field and jump guys and catch and run in space. It also allows him to run out and find holes in the zones to sit into which you see on the diagram (transitioning from catch to run after sitting down in a zone won't be a strong suit though).

Mayer, Kincaid, and Musgrave can run both route trees. (Although Mayer won't be able to run the second one as well as the other 3 guys) and Washington will be more limited to the second diagram that doesn't matter because those are big play opportunities which he will excel. Add in the fact he is a unique weapon as a blocker and you have a special player.

Mayer is the most well rounded TE in the class he can do it all and will be an excellent move TE in the NFL. His game is eerily similar to Mark Andrews. Dalton Kincaid is the most natural receiving TE in this class but wow he is a horrendous blocker. He got better as the year went on but some of the most hillarious TE tape you will see is Utah vs Florida Kincaid spent so much time on his ***. Musgrave looks the part showed he has the explosion the size length tore up the Senior Bowl but he has one year playing and that was in a rotational backup role. He exploded the first to games last year and then got hurt so its a big ?. Darnell Washington is a unique player and I would love to bring his blocking and big play ability to the Bengals but we just didn't see the TE's run his type of routes there was very little play action, very little motions etc. Things that would take full advantage of what Washington does best... (Which is irritating because alot of the stuff Darnell Washington does well fits the Wide Zone Scheme so very well.)

(03-18-2023, 07:11 PM)leonardfan40 Wrote: Makes sense he would leave without a contract if he was going to visit Carr’s new team. Think they just re-signed their TE though so hopefully he wants to be back with Burrow and a shot at TE1. I’d take my visits and then decide just like he probably is.

(03-18-2023, 03:30 PM)OSUfan Wrote: So do tell what routes is it that you want to see Washington run? Can you point to me mentioning Tony Gonzales? I will wait.

So would you draft Bowers out of Georgia?

(03-18-2023, 03:52 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I am just wondering if others in this thread would draft Bowers because as I am watching film of the Georgia offense he is running virtually the exact same route tree that Washington is running. Hmmm....could it be the Georgia offense?

(03-18-2023, 04:01 PM)OSUfan Wrote: So I am really curious where the major difference is that some are seeing. I watch these highlights of Musgrave and see a guy taking short dump offs, settling into openings in the zone, straight deep seem and edge routes, and 5 or 10 yard drag routes. Am I missing something?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Slzz3toUkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvKd-FCRfhA

(03-18-2023, 04:24 PM)OSUfan Wrote: The point was that Bowers is running the same route tree that Washington is running because that is the Georgia offense.

(03-18-2023, 04:34 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I am done going back and forth about it. I have watched the film and saw the route trees that they were running. 

(03-18-2023, 05:59 PM)OSUfan Wrote: I hope the door is not closed on this situation. I really think he would be a good addition to this offense and the relationship with Burrow is just a bonus which would cut down on them getting timing down with each other. Almost a natural fit really.

What I do not like is that he is going on a visit to New Orleans where he is from and where his QB from Vegas is now the starting QB. Damn!

(03-18-2023, 03:50 PM)Synric Wrote: Even better Ill show you.

Here’s the TE route tree…

Pro I — Traditional Y (TE) alignment pic.twitter.com/GfNoMYkoSV

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) June 1, 2022

Ok the top TE route tree is nearly identical to what Hayden Hurst ran for the Bengals last year. See how its all breaking route off the main clear route? This is not going to be Darnell Washington. Michael Mayer, Dalton Kincaid, and Luke Musgrave are more suited for this. These require alot more stop start and short area quickness.

Now the second one has Darnell Washington's game all over it. The these routes let him run and really eat field with his long legs. Alot of play action routes in there that is going to let him get down field and jump guys and catch and run in space. It also allows him to run out and find holes in the zones to sit into which you see on the diagram (transitioning from catch to run after sitting down in a zone won't be a strong suit though).

Mayer, Kincaid, and Musgrave can run both route trees. (Although Mayer won't be able to run the second one as well as the other 3 guys) and Washington will be more limited to the second diagram that doesn't matter because those are big play opportunities which he will excel. Add in the fact he is a unique weapon as a blocker and you have a special player.

Mayer is the most well rounded TE in the class he can do it all and will be an excellent move TE in the NFL. His game is eerily similar to Mark Andrews. Dalton Kincaid is the most natural receiving TE in this class but wow he is a horrendous blocker. He got better as the year went on but some of the most hillarious TE tape you will see is Utah vs Florida Kincaid spent so much time on his ***. Musgrave looks the part showed he has the explosion the size length tore up the Senior Bowl but he has one year playing and that was in a rotational backup role. He exploded the first to games last year and then got hurt so its a big ?. Darnell Washington is a unique player and I would love to bring his blocking and big play ability to the Bengals but we just didn't see the TE's run his type of routes there was very little play action, very little motions etc. Things that would take full advantage of what Washington does best... (Which is irritating because alot of the stuff Darnell Washington does well fits the Wide Zone Scheme so very well.)

(03-18-2023, 06:20 PM)CarolinaBengalFanGuy Wrote: He’s a better Drew Sample and he cost a second so clearly Darnell would require a 1st