(10-26-2018, 01:52 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Coughlin.

Just looking at the '07 team.

They had TWO WRs with multiple 1000 yard seasons in Plaxico Burress (4) and Amani Toomer (5)
RB Brandon Jacobs had 2 seasons where he gained 1000 yards and averaged 5 yards per carry
TE Jeremy Shockey was 3X Pro Bowl and 1 X All-Pro 
LT David was Pro Bowl player
OC Shaun O'Hara was a 3 X Pro Bowl selection
RG Chris Snee was 3 X Pro Bowl and 1 X All Pro
DE Strahan was 7 X Pro Bowl and 4 X All Pro
DE Osi Umenyiora was 2 X Pro Bowl and 1 X All Pro
DE Justin Tuck was 2 X Pro Bowl and 1 X All Pro
MLB Antonio Pierce was 1 X Pro Bowl
CB Sam Madison was 4 X Pro Bowl and 2 X All Pro
QB Eli Manning 4 X Pro Bowl

That is 10 players who accumulated 30 Pro Bowl appearances including 6 players who had 10 All Pro seasons and one Hall of Fame player.  And that does not include 2 WRs with nine 1000 yard seasons and a RB with two 1000 yd, 5.0 avg seasons

Their is no comparison.  Coughlin had MUCH more talent to work with than Marvin ever had.

(10-26-2018, 03:06 PM)Wyche Wrote: Why does everyone keep ignoring what Coughlin did in JAX?

(10-26-2018, 03:33 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Because he won championships with less talent (than Marv's had) in New York.

That said, he did a great job in Jacksonville, turning an expansion team into an AFC contender. No doubt.

(10-26-2018, 03:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Belichick would not have multiple Super Bowl rings under Mike Brown (if the Dalton and palmer injuries still occurred)

His record would probably be better than Marvin's but even Bill gets decent free agent signings to help him win.

(10-25-2018, 06:37 PM)fredtoast Wrote: That's hilarious.  Another "fan" who would rather win 4 games and miss the playoffs than make the playoffs and lose.

(10-26-2018, 03:41 PM)Wyche Wrote: Here ya go Shake....you may have missed this post in response to BY.....


http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Lets-give-Marvin-credit-this-season?pid=619689#pid619689


That's pretty damn good. :andy:

(10-26-2018, 03:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 2015 Bengals:
7 Pro Bowlers (that year)
12-4 record
7th in scoring
2nd in points allowed
Embarrassing playoff loss at home

2013 Bengals
2 Pro Bowlers
11-5 record
6th in scoring
5th in points allowed
Embarrassing playoff loss at home

2005 Bengals 
4 Pro Bowlers
11-5 record
4th in points scored
22nd in points allowed
Embarrassing playoff loss at home

2007 Giants
1 Pro Bowler (Osi Umenyora)
10-6 record
14th in scoring
17th in points allowed
Won 3 straight road playoff games + the Super Bowl

I'd also like to point out that the Giants were underdogs in each of those playoff games, because...

1. You always suggest the Bengals can't be expected to win playoff games when they were underdogs.
2. The Giants being underdogs each week (massive underdogs 3 times) shows that they weren't as talent-laden as you're suggesting.

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It's misleading for you to list career Pro Bowls to define the Giants talent level for one season. Some of those players (such as Sam Madison) compiled those accolades elsewhere, and some like Diehl weren't Pro Bowlers until later. Some of the guys you listed were old and fading (Toomer, Strahan, Madison). 

Nothing that I said was false. We've had better QB's, better o-lines, at least = RB talent, and our 2011-2015 defenses were some of the best in football, unlike the 2007 Giants, which is the best Giants team you can come up with.

(10-26-2018, 04:05 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The 2015 Bengals team had a back up QB who has never beaten a team with a record better than 5-11.

The best O-line we had was in front of another back up QB in '05 and paired with a 27th ranked defense.

Marvin never had as much talent as Coughlin on one team at the same time.

(10-26-2018, 04:14 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The 2013 team was more talented than any Coughlin team, and our starting QB was healthy.

(10-26-2018, 04:35 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The 2013 team was by far the biggest disappointment in the Lewis tenure, but it was not as talented as Coughlins best teams.

(10-25-2018, 05:49 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Coughlin only won Super Bowls because he worked for an owner that got him some help in free agency.  Just look at their '07 starting lineup....


Their leading receiver was Plaxico Burress who had multiple thousand yard seasons in Pitt before signing with the Giants. 
RT Kareem McKenzie was a three year starter with the Jets before signing with the Giants.  
OC Shaun Ohara was a two year starter for the Browns before signing with the Giants and going to 3 Pro Bowls. 
DT Fred Robbins was a 3 year starter with the Vikings before signing with the Giants. 
MLB Antonio Pierce was a starter in Washington before signing with the Giants and going to a Pro Bowl. 
LB Kawika Mitchell was a starter in Kansas City before signing with the Giants.  
CB Sam Madison was an All Pro with the Dolphins before signing with the Giants.

And how many Pro Bowl players ended up in Cincinnati because they refused to play for the team that rafted them and forced a trade to the Bengals.

I don't even know if Coughlin would have won as many games as Marvin did here.  You can't just compare their records because Marvin was handicapped by working under Mike Brown.

(10-08-2018, 03:39 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Since, you don't care now. Don't watch now.

See you in January :giggle:

(11-25-2018, 09:49 PM)motoarch Wrote: Just wanted to remind you this thread exists.  :)

(10-26-2018, 08:58 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: I provided the facts. We had more pro-bowlers on all of the teams I listed, and finished out the regular season ranked much higher on both sides of the ball. That includes 2013. You saying "nuh-uh" doesn't trump facts. 

(10-26-2018, 03:30 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 2015 Bengals:
7 Pro Bowlers (that year)
12-4 record
7th in scoring
2nd in points allowed
Embarrassing playoff loss at home

2013 Bengals
2 Pro Bowlers
11-5 record
6th in scoring
5th in points allowed
Embarrassing playoff loss at home

2005 Bengals 
4 Pro Bowlers
11-5 record
4th in points scored
22nd in points allowed
Embarrassing playoff loss at home

2007 Giants
1 Pro Bowler (Osi Umenyora)
10-6 record
14th in scoring
17th in points allowed
Won 3 straight road playoff games + the Super Bowl

I'd also like to point out that the Giants were underdogs in each of those playoff games, because...

1. You always suggest the Bengals can't be expected to win playoff games when they were underdogs.
2. The Giants being underdogs each week (massive underdogs 3 times) shows that they weren't as talent-laden as you're suggesting.

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It's misleading for you to list career Pro Bowls to define the Giants talent level for one season. Some of those players (such as Sam Madison) compiled those accolades elsewhere, and some like Diehl weren't Pro Bowlers until later. Some of the guys you listed were old and fading (Toomer, Strahan, Madison). 

Nothing that I said was false. We've had better QB's, better o-lines, at least = RB talent, and our 2011-2015 defenses were some of the best in football, unlike the 2007 Giants, which is the best Giants team you can come up with.

(11-26-2018, 02:04 AM)Jakeypoo Wrote: Are you forgetting that we lost our best Defensive player in Geno Atkins and best CB in Leon Hall that year?  

(11-26-2018, 02:50 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: No, I sure didn't. Do you think the loss of those 2 excuses losing to an inferior Chargers team at home (where we were 8-0)? 

The post above won that little exchange with Fred. We had more talent than the Giants. Even in 2013 without Geno or Hall.

(11-26-2018, 02:57 AM)jason Wrote: As years have passed, I'd forgotten that team was undefeated at home that season.