(08-26-2019, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote:  I disagree.

In 2010 Andre Caldwell was an experienced starter, but Marvin played rookie Jordan Shipley in front of him.

And I am sure I can find plenty of other examples.  Many of the complaints people have about Marvin just are not true.

(08-25-2019, 04:52 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: I do not understand.  Hopkins sucks.

(08-26-2019, 08:44 PM)bfine32 Wrote: that really doesn't support a lot of the narrative going on around here. I hope Price breaks into the starting lineup but I hope it's at RG. 

(08-27-2019, 05:34 AM)Wyche Wrote: You realize Jessie Bates was the first rookie to start on defense since Rey Maualuga? That's nine years.

(08-27-2019, 08:01 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I believe he is deficient athletically, but has the intelligence to absorb the offense and make all the right calls.  I can't help but wonder if that isn't some of what has moved Price to the bench.  Are they disappointed with Price's ability to grasp the offense and all the correct protections?  Because straight up blocking, it seems Price is superior, but then I would see him completely do the wrong assignment and look back like:  OOPS!  

(08-27-2019, 10:28 AM)Gamma Ray Tan Wrote: All I know, is that whoever is evaluating these O-linemen for the Draft needs to be gone. It’s been a damn train wreck.

(08-27-2019, 08:01 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: I believe he is deficient athletically, but has the intelligence to absorb the offense and make all the right calls.  I can't help but wonder if that isn't some of what has moved Price to the bench.  Are they disappointed with Price's ability to grasp the offense and all the correct protections?  Because straight up blocking, it seems Price is superior, but then I would see him completely do the wrong assignment and look back like:  OOPS!  

(08-26-2019, 04:00 PM)fredtoast Wrote:  I disagree.

In 2010 Andre Caldwell was an experienced starter, but Marvin played rookie Jordan Shipley in front of him.

And I am sure I can find plenty of other examples.  Many of the complaints people have about Marvin just are not true.

(08-26-2019, 04:04 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: But, the examples are guys like Maualuga and Peko, but it's not like the Bengals had a better player on the bench. That's the thing. It's not like management went out and got a better starter who Marvin then refused to play.

Ross was a 1st Round pick that rode the Bench. It took Kirkpatrick what 3-4 years to start. Heck...he barely played the 1st couple years. Dennard took some time.

If anything, history shows that Marvin was hard on 1st Round picks early on.

Then guys like Bodine are cited as examples, but it's not like we had a better Center behind the 4th Round pick. Management painted him into a corner on Bodine by not upgrading.

(08-26-2019, 11:46 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Suffice it to say, Marv would play guys (for a number of reasons) longer than he should have, based on their performance and, in turn, would keep a guy on the bench longer than he should have (again, for a number of reasons). 

It disingenuous to pigeonhole him and say he did one thing while not doing the other. 

It's hard to say for certain that he wouldn't have given MJ the start at OG, because Boling retired. It is pretty certain that he would not have started Willis, because Malone and Core have been here longer and they have more game experience. 

(08-26-2019, 07:00 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I've never fully understood the "Marvin doesn't play rookies" bit.

Billy Price
Andy Dalton
A.J. Green
Carlos Dunlap
Keith Rivers
Leon Hall
Tyler Eifert
Jordan Shipley
Tyler Boyd
Rey Maualuga
Joe Mixon
Jeremy Hill
Giovanni Bernard
Russell Bodine
Jermaine Gresham
Pat Sims
Odell Thurman
Chris Henry

There are many others but if the rookies were talented enough, they got playing time.

(08-27-2019, 05:34 AM)Wyche Wrote: You realize Jessie Bates was the first rookie to start on defense since Rey Maualuga? That's nine years.

(08-27-2019, 08:19 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Lapham, who as a former offensive linemen I give a nod as an experienced NFL guy, said that Hopkins body (long arms) and his football IQ makes him a better center than a guard...he said that last year.  Maybe Price will ultimately go on to have a long career as a guard.  He is better at straight up mashing guys instead of what he has been asked to do as a center.  He was a very highly rated guard after his junior year at OSU, but moved to Center to help his team.  

Regardless, I will echo the sentiment of many that I am thrilled to see Willis get a shot and that ZT is making decisions that he believes best fits his scheme.  I am also very excited for Michael Jordan.  He was a MUCH better guard than center at OSU and right now looks like the steal of this draft...since Willis was undrafted.  

(08-27-2019, 05:34 AM)Wyche Wrote: You realize Jessie Bates was the first rookie to start on defense since Rey Maualuga? That's nine years.

(08-27-2019, 08:24 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: And what did Marv focus on the most....defense....and what has sucked since we lost Zimmer?  Defense.

(08-27-2019, 08:24 AM)SHRacerX Wrote:  the fact remains that Burfict was destined to sit until an injury forced him in the lineup.

(08-27-2019, 03:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Yeah, right.  Finishing #2 in scoring defense really sucks.

Zimmer has been gone 5 years.  We have finished in the top half of the league in scoring defense 4 times and twice in the top 10.

(08-25-2019, 02:31 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If the injury was an issue I don't think Price would the first guy off the bench at any interior position like Taylor indicated.

Not bashing Hopkins, but the improvement of Price was one of the big factors I was counting on to improve the O-line.  Hopkins may have outplayed Price last year, but he was not impressive at all.  And Hopkins has been in the league 4 years.  He is not going to suddenly improve dramatically this season.

(08-27-2019, 03:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Zimmer has been gone 5 years.  

(08-27-2019, 04:17 PM)SHRacerX Wrote: Over how many years was that?