(12-02-2023, 09:05 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Belicheck won with backup qbs. Andy Reid has done it.

(12-02-2023, 02:38 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Watching the film.

There were run plays where one OL did the right block and one did not. Or where Mixon missed the hole in front of him.

Hard to tell with the lack of running plays, but there were a couple. 

Bottom line, you just don't give up on the running game after 8 carries even if it is going for 2 yards a clip.

(12-03-2023, 12:24 PM)Bing Ghuls Wrote: I don't see how watching players mess up is proof that they are "close to getting it right"

Lot's of fans keep claiming that all you have to do to make a bad running game better is to run more.  But I have never seen any evidence to back up this claim.  There should be some stats somewhere showing that teams with really bad run games can get better just by running more.

When I see a team with a weak running game it is usually just as bad in the 4th quarter than as in the first.

(12-02-2023, 07:21 PM)Wyche Wrote: LoL, but you left out Stafford as the QB. I guess he's a bum now? We discussed Shanahan and his offense taking a nose dive because Debo Samuel got hurt. That happened. This offense has produced with names like Trenton Irwin, Trent Taylor, Tanner Hudson, CJ Uzomah, etc when Higgins, Chase, and Boyd have missed time. In fact, it played pretty well without JaMarr Chase last year. The key is Joe Burrow. Always has been, always will be. Unless you guys want him out of his comfort zone and under center so he can hand the ball to a middling to below average RB. 

The more I read about this offense and its structure, the more I realize it's really Joe's show. The way he wants it. So either you dislike his ways and the coaches, or you like them. You can't mutually exclude the two.

(12-03-2023, 01:03 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I left off Stafford because while I don't consider him a bum, I don't consider him one of the top 10 QBs in the league.
He's not Top 10 in QB Rating, pass yards, pass TDs, etc.
He's better than what the Bengals have right now without Burrow though, I'll give you that.

(12-01-2023, 07:05 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: I don’t want him fired. I want him to hire an OC. He’s a great CEO/leader of men; a subpar offensive mind.

(12-02-2023, 11:27 AM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: I remember the 6-25-1 result without Burrow or whatever horrendous start it was. So yeah Taylor is associated with Burrow's success, won't be able to separate the 2 other than that stat.

(12-03-2023, 05:50 PM)Bronxbengal Wrote: So it is “weird” for holding Taylor accountable for a team that does not perform? So it is “weird” for holding Taylor accountable for an offense that is severely under performed with all the talent since he is really the offense coordinator who calls the play. Yes we got to the Super Bowl with him, but the guy hasn’t shown me an ability to adapt to what defenses are giving hm. IF offense is to make Burrow happy, the guy has a quarter million dollars coming his way. Let Taylor be the coach. I don’t see Burrow being that prima Donna and can only hold blame to the reincarnate Dave Shula who is now Taylor. Hell yes he should be fired! There are better options than Taylor.


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(12-03-2023, 12:20 PM)Bing Ghuls Wrote: When.  Neither of them have won anything without a good QB.  Are you including Tom Brady and Matt Cassel in "back up qbs"?

(12-03-2023, 08:55 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Tom Brady tore his acl in 2008. Matt cassel was their qb all season and they ended up with an 11-5 season, good enough to make the playoffs. He went on to do nothing as that was his most successful season by far (under Belicheck).

The chiefs have won games with backup qbs without Mahomes.

The ravens made the playoffs with a scrub qb last year, and almost beat us in the playoffs as well.

Good coaches can still salvage a playoff birth with a backup qb.

The Bengals have invested a lot in the oline and have a lot of weapons on offense. Good coaching should allow them to make the playoffs and likely lose in the first round. Do I expect that to happen? No.

What I expect to happen is watching the 9ers vs ravens in the Super Bowl and hopefully the bengals reevaluate what winning football looks like.

(12-03-2023, 08:55 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Tom Brady tore his acl in 2008. Matt cassel was their qb all season and they ended up with an 11-5 season, good enough to make the playoffs. He went on to do nothing as that was his most successful season by far (under Belicheck).

The chiefs have won games with backup qbs without Mahomes.

The ravens made the playoffs with a scrub qb last year, and almost beat us in the playoffs as well.

Good coaches can still salvage a playoff birth with a backup qb.

The Bengals have invested a lot in the oline and have a lot of weapons on offense. Good coaching should allow them to make the playoffs and likely lose in the first round. Do I expect that to happen? No.

What I expect to happen is watching the 9ers vs ravens in the Super Bowl and hopefully the bengals reevaluate what winning football looks like.

(12-03-2023, 08:55 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Tom Brady tore his acl in 2008. Matt cassel was their qb all season and they ended up with an 11-5 season, good enough to make the playoffs. He went on to do nothing as that was his most successful season by far (under Belicheck).

The chiefs have won games with backup qbs without Mahomes.

The ravens made the playoffs with a scrub qb last year, and almost beat us in the playoffs as well.

Good coaches can still salvage a playoff birth with a backup qb.

The Bengals have invested a lot in the oline and have a lot of weapons on offense. Good coaching should allow them to make the playoffs and likely lose in the first round. Do I expect that to happen? No.

What I expect to happen is watching the 9ers vs ravens in the Super Bowl and hopefully the bengals reevaluate what winning football looks like.

(12-01-2023, 12:50 PM)WeezyBengal Wrote: Seriously, what are we doing? The fire Zach stuff makes our fanbase look incredibly dumb.

The guy has given us more playoff success the past two years than I have had in my ENTIRE lifetime. One Super Bowl appearance, two AFC Championship games, 5 playoff wins. Were we really expecting to go places this year with Browning as our QB? I mean the season is chalked up as a loss as soon as Burrow's ligament exploded. We aren't winning anything with him the same way the Colts weren't winning anything without Peyton Manning.

Is he perfect? No. But no head coach is. People bag on his offense (although they've been REALLY good when Joe is healthy) but...

his offense is a by product of what BURROW likes to do as a QB. It's THEIR offense. It's a collaboration between ZT, Callahan, and Burrow. It won't change unless Burrow want's it to change...and it actually works when Burrow is healthy.

I guess I just don't get why everyone is so emotional and wants to fire ZT all of the sudden. Sure there are some changes that the team needs to make (running the ball better, protecting Joe better, etc.) but firing a coach seems a bit extreme and emotional and weird to me.

(12-02-2023, 01:04 PM)Bing Ghuls Wrote: Sean McVay is 10-18 since last year.

Taylor is 17-10.

(12-03-2023, 09:58 PM)NotBigzo Wrote: Burrow, Anarumo, and two great safeties brought us that success. 

Taylor is 3-24-1 without Burrow. His defining moment in his "legacy" is sucking bad enough to get Burrow and Chase in two consecutive seasons.

(12-03-2023, 10:06 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: No he’s not. Do you even really follow this team? What tie has Zac Taylor ever had without Joe Burrow at QB?

(12-03-2023, 09:38 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The OL despite the investment hasn’t performed. It’s Frank Pollack obviously. The backup QB is not Matt Cassel. What backup replaced Mahomes and how many games? I’ll hang up and listen. If you want to blame Zac & FO for not having a better backup have at it I agree. If you want to blame the entire organization for the OL status have at it. But SF is dominating Philly right now and just a few weeks ago we dominated the 49ers at Levi. So I guess we were trending pretty good.

(12-03-2023, 10:13 PM)Destro Wrote: And Arizona beat the Steelers, who we lost to. Brock Purdy, who beat the Eagles, was Mr. Irrelevant and third string. We go nowhere without Burrow but into the top ten of the draft.

True that most playoff teams would have an issue getting to the Super Bowl without their starting QB, but the Bengals could realistically not win another game without ours.

(12-03-2023, 09:14 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: The OL despite the investment hasn’t performed. It’s Frank Pollack obviously. The backup QB is not Matt Cassel. What backup replaced Mahomes and how many games? I’ll hang up and listen. If you want to blame Zac & FO for not having a better backup have at it I agree. If you want to blame the entire organization for the OL status have at it. But SF is dominating Philly right now and just a few weeks ago we dominated the 49ers at Levi. So I guess we were trending pretty good. Tyler Huntley wasn’t leading this team with the remaining schedule to the landfill much less the playoffs BTW