(01-17-2024, 01:15 PM)jj22 Wrote: and that Browning was maybe a better playcaller then Burrow......

(01-17-2024, 03:09 PM)Sled21 Wrote: Negative Ghostrider.... Browning has said he runs the plays that Zac sends in. He is not receiving three and choosing like Burrow does.

(01-17-2024, 03:16 PM)jj22 Wrote: Well maybe that is what Burrow needs to do. It’s interesting. Less then 2 weeks into the offseason and folks have already forgot the hopefully Burrow learned something from watching Browning run the offense narrative we heard so much around here.

(01-17-2024, 02:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Personally, I think that Zac and company saw in the first Pittsburgh game that Browning out of the gun was not even remotely capable of running the spread like Burrow does.  The transition to mostly under Center was something that most teams did not have a lot of footage of the Bengals, let along Jake Browning running.  Sure, Browning was able to get the team to rally with him, and they reeled off a few wins to keep the season interesting.  However, against tougher defenses like KC and Baltimore, the Browning led offense just had no answer.

(01-17-2024, 03:20 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: I don't think there ever was? PFR has Browning as having 28 pass attempts from under center and 215 in shotgun. If you look at highlights..

...there's some instances of him having success under center. Particularly in the Colts game with faking the handoff and then throwing to the RB anyway. It's majority shotgun still. Maybe it shouldn't have been as PFR has him with a 92.6 QB Rating (barely above the 89.0 average) in shotgun and a 142.1 QB Rating under center.

(01-17-2024, 03:25 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: There definitely never was. The Bengals were in shotgun on 75% of snaps this season when Browning was the QB. Last season, Burrow was in shotgun on 78% of snaps. 

This whole conversation around shotgun/under center is so wild to me because it looks like people believe it is this brand new thing with the Bengals and ZT and it isn't. In 2021, Burrow was in shotgun on 64% of snaps. This team has never been a shotgun only team except for when Burrow was struggling with an injury and shortly after his recovery. They very obviously want to incorporate both looks but couldn't because of a very specific situation. 

(01-17-2024, 03:36 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: That's an entirely different problem. That means a vast majority of the time we're not in shotgun we're running and the vast majority of the time we're in shotgun we're passing, which opposing teams are definitely going to know.

Under Center
2023: 131 rushes/44 pass attempts
2022: 197 rushes/54 pass attempts
2021: 306 rushes/82 pass attempts

Shotgun
2023: 252 rushes/571 pass attempts
2022: 205 rushes/560 pass attempts
2021: 130 rushes/473 pass attempts

(01-17-2024, 03:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: It's not as big of an issue as you might think. I had posted this in a different thread but pretty much all NFL teams have splits like this. When you break it down into percentages, Cincinnati is nearly dead on league average. Across the NFL, teams run the ball roughly 70% of the time when they go under center. Cincinnati is exactly at 70%. In shotgun, the NFL runs 30% of the time. Cincinnati runs 29% of the time. You have slightly different numbers than I do but the story should be the same across the NFL. 

(01-17-2024, 04:16 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: The stats are interesting analysis.

Who wants to provide me with a breakdown of how it looked in the 49'ers game this season? If that offense showed up weekly, we'd roll into the playoffs with ease.

(01-17-2024, 04:46 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Love the new avatar BTW Tecmo lol

(01-17-2024, 04:10 PM)Synric Wrote: The "Under Center" became a thing only because Joe Burrow could not do it at all the first 4 weeks. We forget to mention during that span the average depth of target was around 3 yards. It was a super limiting offense because Burrow could not put any pressure on that calf.

(01-17-2024, 06:15 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Absolutely. Is going shotgun 100% of the time an issue? I would say yeah. It's not ideal, you're missing a rich variety of offense by not going under center. However, that was a byproduct of Burrow's injury, and Burrow's injury is also what caused the offense to suck. He had a very limited ability to throw the ball. It's now ballooned into this big debate about the two looks when it is simply an exception that occurred due to injury. 

(01-17-2024, 03:58 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: It's not as big of an issue as you might think. I had posted this in a different thread but pretty much all NFL teams have splits like this. When you break it down into percentages, Cincinnati is nearly dead on league average. Across the NFL, teams run the ball roughly 70% of the time when they go under center. Cincinnati is exactly at 70%. In shotgun, the NFL runs 30% of the time. Cincinnati runs 29% of the time. You have slightly different numbers than I do but the story should be the same across the NFL. 

(01-17-2024, 04:55 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Thanks dude. It's not from Tecmo Super Bowl, but keeps the 8-bit/'90s Nintendo vibe going strong. Burrow has eclipsed Chad Johnson, Boomer Esiason, and David Fulcher as my all-time favorite Bengals player.

Joe Burrow's healthy return is the biggest reason for the #Bengals to be optimistic about 2024, but so, too, is a key but often looked stat -- one in which Cincinnati has been best in the league since Zac Taylor arrived:https://t.co/J4uCKCSwgc pic.twitter.com/IQJA86lkP0

— Jay Morrison (@ByJayMorrison) January 12, 2024

(01-18-2024, 01:35 AM)Wyche Wrote: In other words, the offense is pretty good if your quarterback is at near full health. I mean, Browning was putting up 300+ in the air, and occasionally running for big gains. The offense looked pretty good the limited time Joe was feeling halfway decent. 

(01-18-2024, 03:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yes, not going to argue with that. Burrow looked like he was only healthy for about 3 or 4 games for heck sake.

Puts a ton of pressure on an OL and Offense in general when you have to always be in the Shotgun because your QB cannot put his back to the 
Defense or roll out. If we do not move on from Pollack, I think this will just have to be my hope, that we add the proper players and they stay 
healthy enough to play more than halfway decent.

Have to say, that after seeing Browning play, maybe we should of started him at the beginning of the season but is hindsight 20/20 yah know...