(06-13-2021, 01:29 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 3 months later, and here we are trying to talk ourselves into being ok with Michael Jordan possibly starting at guard again.

At some point this team will take o-line seriously. I think.

(06-13-2021, 01:29 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 3 months later, and here we are trying to talk ourselves into being ok with Michael Jordan possibly starting at guard again.

At some point this team will take o-line seriously. I think.

(06-13-2021, 01:29 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 3 months later, and here we are trying to talk ourselves into being ok with Michael Jordan possibly starting at guard again.

At some point this team will take o-line seriously. I think.

(06-13-2021, 01:29 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 3 months later, and here we are trying to talk ourselves into being ok with Michael Jordan possibly starting at guard again.

At some point this team will take o-line seriously. I think.

(06-13-2021, 06:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So then what happens if the proverbial "light comes on"?  As in he takes well to the coaching, improves his technique, and wins the job, outright?

I mean, other than drafting Jackson Carman, the team did nothing to upgrade from last season's roster personnel at Guard.

(06-13-2021, 06:56 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I think bringing back Spain for an entire Offseason upgrades the Guard position.

He was brought in on a Thursday in the latter part of the season and played decent and could play much better then what we 
saw last season being able to actually prepare and learn a scheme under Pollack.

(06-13-2021, 07:04 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Yeah, you are correct.  I sometimes forget about that being the case.  I kinda hope that Spain and XSF win the starting jobs in camp, and allow Carman to develop until XSF goes down with his annual injury that's bound to happen.

(06-13-2021, 01:29 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: 3 months later, and here we are trying to talk ourselves into being ok with Michael Jordan possibly starting at guard again.

At some point this team will take o-line seriously. I think.

(06-13-2021, 01:59 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Wouldn't hold your breath while waiting. 

(06-13-2021, 07:19 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: They'll win enough games to pick 10th next year, and then trade down and get the 4th best option at OL and we can hear about how they spent a 1st round pick on OL again and it didn't work out...

Meanwhile, people will continue to ignore that the 1st round picks that didn't work on OL (Ced, Price, etc) were not the first OL taken and that guys taken earlier worked out. When you have the shot at the top guy at a broken position you can't pass on it, unless you want to never really fix the position. I'm cautiously optimistic about Carman at guard, which means for the 2022 starting OL, they'd have 1 guy you can count on. With the cap going up, if Reiff excels the bidding will be high, Jonah needs to show he isn't Eifert, Hopkins needs to show he recovered, and the other guard spot has Spain as FA to be, Jordan and XSF the IR master. Just so frustrating to look at.

(06-13-2021, 03:05 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Uh, I think most of us want to see all our players improve...

Let the best players start is my opinion.

You wanted Thuney, Orlando Brown in FA and we got Riley Reiff who had less penalties and allowed less sacks than both.

If Jordan does a magical turn around and stays low with technique I am not hating on the guy.

BTW, I doubt he starts at all this season. He has Carman, Spain, XSF in front of him and they could be real good.

Carman is very underrated to you and a lot of people I still see. I studied up on this guy thoroughly before the Draft.

Jackson Carman could be the best OL in the entire Draft, better than Sewell. No one mauls like Carman.

(06-13-2021, 06:20 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: So then what happens if the proverbial "light comes on"?  As in he takes well to the coaching, improves his technique, and wins the job, outright?

I mean, other than drafting Jackson Carman, the team did nothing to upgrade from last season's roster personnel at Guard.

(06-13-2021, 07:19 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: They'll win enough games to pick 10th next year, and then trade down and get the 4th best option at OL and we can hear about how they spent a 1st round pick on OL again and it didn't work out...

(06-13-2021, 07:19 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote:  When you have the shot at the top guy at a broken position you can't pass on it, unless you want to never really fix the position.

(06-13-2021, 07:19 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote:  which means for the 2022 starting OL, they'd have 1 guy you can count on.

(06-13-2021, 07:37 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Okay Nostradamus. Reiff, Carman, Spain, XSF, D'Ante Smith, Trey Hill, and another year on Adeniji's shoulders under Pollack 
might not be as frustrating as you see right now. If Zac Taylor continues to struggle even with solid play in the trenches I will
jump on your sad train. In the mean time I like the players added on both sides of the ball Murdock.

Don't understand acting like they didn't address the OL at all like you guys are saying. That is a lot of new names.

I know, Spain and XSF were here last year but one was injured and the other brought in late in the year.

(06-13-2021, 08:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: They certainly addressed the OL by rehiring Pollack, bringing in Reiff, and drafting Carmen, Smith and Hill.  We won't find out if it's enough until the season.

I just find it ironic that folks are making a big deal about getting the first OL off the board because we can't count on Jonah...who was the first OL off the board in his class.

OL is a position group where guys take years to develop.  The Bengals only have 4 OL that aren't on their rookie deals.  Folks want to build the OL through the draft, but they don't want to allow draft picks time to develop.

(06-13-2021, 09:43 PM)Joelist Wrote: People do realize Jordan is at the bottom of the Guard depth chart right? We have XSF, Spain and Carman all ahead of him at least. Price and/or Hill may also be in that group.

(06-13-2021, 07:51 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: You started getting a little silly at the end there, Nate. 

(06-13-2021, 08:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: They certainly addressed the OL by rehiring Pollack, bringing in Reiff, and drafting Carmen, Smith and Hill.  We won't find out if it's enough until the season.

I just find it ironic that folks are making a big deal about getting the first OL off the board because we can't count on Jonah...who was the first OL off the board in his class.

OL is a position group where guys take years to develop.  The Bengals only have 4 OL that aren't on their rookie deals.  Folks want to build the OL through the draft, but they don't want to allow draft picks time to develop.  

(06-13-2021, 08:56 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: And when we do bring in a guy like Reiff that buys us a year (at least) to develop the young players that’s somehow no good either.

(06-13-2021, 09:43 PM)Joelist Wrote: People do realize Jordan is at the bottom of the Guard depth chart right? We have XSF, Spain and Carman all ahead of him at least. Price and/or Hill may also be in that group.

(06-14-2021, 04:16 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: How so Rfaulk? Jackson Carman was arguably the best mauling, run blocking O-lineman in the Draft and I saw this way 
before we drafted him. Synric and me both wanted him in the 2nd round and most that evaluated him only thought he 
dropped to the 2nd cause of the injury that he is now over with.

Not saying Carman is just going to be great right off the bat but neither is Sewell as a rookie.

We will see who is the best OL out of this class, not betting against Carman who is just made to play Guard.

His only weakness was speed rushers which he won't have to worry about on the inside.


Yes, lets see how these players develop before judging. They addressed OL it just might not be the way some wanted them to.

It is all preference.


Yep, not good enough, never is. Even if Reiff plays great it won't matter. Didn't address OL at all according to some on here.

If Reiff plays well and we re-sign him which I expect the team has done well.

We just need to see better coaching from Taylor and Lou IMO.

This is where my complaints lie.


Yeah, no reason to hate on the guy being a better depth piece, he might not even make the team if he isn't up to snuff.

Sounds like he is working his ass off. I like it.