(07-31-2021, 01:29 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Sorry if my original post was a little mean brother. Seems like you took a lot of crap for your OP. But we are upgraded at the 
starting positions from 2020. My biggest problem is depth as behind the starters we have guys like Jordan and Prince. Even if 
for some odd reason Carman doesn't start at RG game 1 he is great depth and it just means the vets beat him out. 

It was XSF's first season with us and he was under Turner who was a shit OL coach. Spain came in late in the season and had
to learn a new system and the Line got much better as a whole once he got here. Don't give me PFF grades. But this line of...

LT- Jonah Williams (2nd year hoping to stay healthy after having a promising first year) D'Ante Smith
LG - Quinton Spain/XSF/Jordan
C - Trey Hopkins/Trey Hill/Billy Price
RG - Jackson Carman/XSF/Jordan
RT - Riley Reiff/Jackson Carman

Is a lot better than last years. It is all preference and we will see how Pollack, not Pollock the fish coaches over Turner.

(07-31-2021, 01:32 PM)ochocincos Wrote: In terms of pass protection, the Bengals had two good starters in 2020 - Jonah Williams and Trey Hopkins.
XSF has also been a good pass protector the past two years (197 pass blocking snaps in DAL, 155 in CIN), albeit not a full-time starter.

So they had 2-3 good pass protectors last year.

This year, they replaced Hart (a bad pass protector) with Reiff (a good pass protector).

That's 3-4 good pass protectors, potentially up to 5 if Spain gets back to his TEN form and/or Carman getting some snaps and playing well.

I think they're more likely to struggle in run protection, as most of the OL isn't very good in that area.
They should be league average at least in pass protection though...unless/until they have to resort to backups.

(07-31-2021, 02:38 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Spain and XSF are, at worst, average when healthy. They're actually better than that for what the Bengals need them to do. I wouldn't be concerned at all if the season started tomorrow and they were healthy and starting. 

(07-31-2021, 02:34 PM)Synric Wrote: The only factual thing Paul and Jay said about Carman was he was at the end of the postion rep line with Gunnar Vogel. The rest was just them listing possible reasons why...

One reason they left out and makes the most sense is that Jackson Carman was listed on their website at 317lbs in the spring. A weigh in and conditioning test the day before he is now back up to 330lbs. 

Knowing he wasnt ready from the spring might put him behind Spain and XSF but coaches realize he had a lot to learn so he would most likely still be at the front of the rotation... Now a heavy weigh in when that was a pre-draft knock and a poor conditioning test would piss the coaches off enough to say "end of the line fat boy".

(07-31-2021, 02:55 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Last 3 games of the year, XSF gave up a goose egg in pressures. On the year, 5 pressures (including 1 sack) on 155 pass block attempts. That's a pressure every 31 snaps. 

(07-31-2021, 03:43 PM)GodFather Wrote: Agree, but here's a question (unrelated to my original post) This is football, there will be injuries and when one or more of those guys goes down (and it will happen) who is there to backup? Price, Jordan, etc. 

And there we are back where we were last year. 

This front office did not do enough this offseason. We got two guys(Reiff, Carman) to address a major problem. Hopkins is coming off an ACL tear and Williams has health issues and never made it through a season. You really feel good that the Bengals did enough to protect the best thing to come to Cincinnati in a very very long time with Joe Burrow?

I certainly do not. 

(07-31-2021, 08:29 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: We cant make any determination on Carman until he plays some real snaps, just because he was drafted high does not mean he is good. So let's hope he is better than price and jordan.

(08-01-2021, 06:41 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I see no wrong in making him EARN his spot as a starter. If XSF and Spain win the jobs in TC then so be it. [emoji2369]

(08-01-2021, 06:22 PM)Joelist Wrote: Sewell was the best Tackle in the class. Vera Tucker the best Guard. However the second best Guard prospect was per multiple sources Carman precisely because he showed in College he could handle the big games at that level and was physically built to be a perfect Guard. He'll be out there and mauling by Opening Day - this is Training Camp and everyone is getting snaps regardless of some theoretical depth chart.

(08-01-2021, 06:41 PM)The D.O.Z. Wrote: I see no wrong in making him EARN his spot as a starter. If XSF and Spain win the jobs in TC then so be it. [emoji2369]

(08-01-2021, 06:47 PM)sandwedge Wrote: Right!

(08-01-2021, 12:21 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: And they’re still referencing a player’s sudden uptick in production during the last couple of weeks of the season  Lmao

You guys will never learn

(08-02-2021, 11:24 AM)GodFather Wrote: Falling
Jackson Carman

“Cue the Tom Petty track. The Bengals said they expected Carman to compete for a starting spot at guard when they picked him in the second round, and they ran him out there with the starters for OTAs. Whether it was the way he played or prepared or retained or whatever, they saw enough that they didn’t like that Carman has been taking third-team snaps (and second) early in camp. Sometimes teams can take that approach to send a message, but this feels like a lot more than that. The Bengals have seen enough to believe entrusting Carman with protecting Burrow isn’t in their best interest just yet. The rookie has a steep climb ahead.”

Taken from the Athletic article today called “Bengals stock report who’s up and who’s down after the first week of camp