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RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Synric - 01-10-2025

This should go here as a Zac Taylor/Dan Pitcher post.



RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - bfine32 - 01-10-2025

(01-10-2025, 06:55 PM)Synric Wrote: This should go here as a Zac Taylor/Dan Pitcher post.


No sure I'm reading it correctly, but I assume that means 43% of the time, we have no play-action when we pass. If that is correct, it makes sense; Joed prefers an empty set. 

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - TheLeonardLeap - 01-10-2025

(01-10-2025, 08:31 PM)bfine32 Wrote: No sure I'm reading it correctly, but I assume that means 43% of the time, we have no play-action when we pass

Nah, rather than 43% of the time we have no play-action when we pass I think that's saying on early downs (but it doesn't say what early downs are, 1st and 2nd down?) 43% of our playcalls are shotgun no-play action passes and no other team is above 31%.

Also looks like the only playoff team (unless I missed one) that has less than 40% of their early down calls be runs is the Chiefs at 37%. We're at 32%.

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Nicomo Cosca - 01-11-2025

Hard mode.

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Nicomo Cosca - 01-11-2025



RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - bfine32 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 12:30 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote:

I guess I still don't get the point folks are trying to make,

Joe had a passer rating of 104 w/ Play Action and 108 overall

Are we saying we should use more play action? 

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - KillerGoose - 01-11-2025

(01-10-2025, 06:55 PM)Synric Wrote: This should go here as a Zac Taylor/Dan Pitcher post.


I really enjoy Ben's content but I'll be completely honest here.

I have no idea how to read this.

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Synric - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 12:59 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I really enjoy Ben's content but I'll be completely honest here.

I have no idea how to read this.


The Bengals pass more and run less on first and second down than any other team in the NFL. They also throw the least amount of screens and are middle of the pack in RPOs as easy buttons for the QB. 


The QB is obviously important for this scheme but having alot and diverse set of pass catchers is paramount. 

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - bfine32 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 01:27 PM)Synric Wrote: The Bengals pass more and run less on first and second down than any other team in the NFL. They also throw the least amount of screens and are middle of the pack in RPOs as easy buttons for the QB. 


The QB is obviously important for this scheme but having alot and diverse set of pass catchers is paramount. 

Have yo seen our screens? 

It seems we are advocating to do more of what Joe does not prefer. He is the best pocket passer in the NFL.

I'm sure somewhere on another Fan site, fans are advocating for their QB to throw more from the pocket. 

IMO Joe's passing game fall into the category: If it ain't broke don't fix it. 

Of course only my opinion. 

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Synric - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 01:38 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Have yo seen our screens? 

It seems we are advocating to do more of what Joe does not prefer. He is the best pocket passer in the NFL.

I'm sure somewhere on another Fan site, fans are advocating for their QB to throw more from the pocket. 

IMO Joe's passing game fall into the category: If it ain't broke don't fix it. 

Of course only my opinion. 


I see an offense that is leaning away from blocking as much as possible because they are struggling to block in all aspects.

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - bfine32 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 01:54 PM)Synric Wrote: I see an offense that is leaning away from blocking as much as possible because they are struggling to block in all aspects.

So are you giving credit to the playcalling, discrediting the playcalling, or just saying? 

We know Joe likes empty sets

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Frank Booth - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So are you giving credit to the playcalling, discrediting the playcalling, or just saying? 

We know Joe likes empty sets

youre gonna go crazy continuing to argue, bfine

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 12:59 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: I really enjoy Ben's content but I'll be completely honest here.

I have no idea how to read this.


Percentage of plays run, by formation, run or pass, with or without play action, rpo and screen.

Under center - run  12%
Under center - pass w/PA 4%
Under center - pass w/o PA 1%

Shotgun - run 20%
Shotgun - pass w/PA 12%
Shotgun - pass w/o PA 43%
Shotgun - rpo 6%
Shotgun - screen 3%

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - bfine32 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:04 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: youre gonna go crazy continuing to argue, bfine

I'm not even trying to argue although I'm definitely not above it. I'm just trying to understand what folks are saying...

Then I can argue

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Synric - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:16 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Percentage of plays run, by formation, run or pass, with or without play action, rpo and screen.

Under center - run  12%
Under center - pass w/PA 4%
Under center - pass w/o PA 1%

Shotgun - run 20%
Shotgun - pass w/PA 12%
Shotgun - pass w/o PA 43%
Shotgun - rpo 6%
Shotgun - screen 3%


He explained the RPO and Screens are their own category so I'm guessing their both shotgun and under center (RPOs are all Shotgun though by design lol).

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 01:54 PM)Synric Wrote: I see an offense that is leaning away from blocking as much as possible because they are struggling to block in all aspects.

Yep. This clearly shows Joe prefers to be in shotgun, without having to take his eyes off the defense as much as possible. Can't really say though, how much that has to do with bad blocking (probably pretty much?) or if he just feels like he can do the most damage that way, not really "needing" all the clutter that other QBs use.

Don't know what the stats are for runs w or w/o PA, but if your line sucks enough at run blocking, that may not even give you much of an advantage. Trying to assume their thought process with that one.

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:20 PM)Synric Wrote: He explained the RPO and Screens are their own category so I'm guessing their both shotgun and under center (RPOs are all Shotgun though by design lol).

I thought the exact same thing and was going to leave them seperate but the shotgun rpo is what made me keep them in shotgun. lol

I will say, just off the top of my head. They probably run a decent amount of under center, PA screens. 

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Synric - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:01 PM)bfine32 Wrote: So are you giving credit to the playcalling, discrediting the playcalling, or just saying? 

We know Joe likes empty sets


I don't hate Zac's play calling as a staff they do a great job adjusting to coverages in game and getting the offense into advantageous passing concepts. I do hate that they don't prioritize blocking which gets them in trouble in short yardage, goal line, and horizontal passing plays. 

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - Frank Booth - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:19 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I'm not even trying to argue although I'm definitely not above it. I'm just trying to understand what folks are saying...

Then I can argue

yes and youre gonna lose your mind doing so

RE: Shout out for Zac Taylor - rfaulk34 - 01-11-2025

(01-11-2025, 02:26 PM)Synric Wrote: I don't hate Zac's play calling as a staff they do a great job adjusting to coverages in game and getting the offense into advantageous passing concepts. I do hate that they don't prioritize blocking which gets them in trouble in short yardage, goal line, and horizontal passing plays. 

It kind of goes without saying that a better Oline opens up an avenue for some of the things they don't do very often. If i'm a QB and i'm under center, running a PA and i turn around to instantly feel defenders on me, i'm not gonna want to do that too much.