(01-01-2020, 09:36 PM)jj22 Wrote: Sounds like a plan....

Don't forget Billings.

(01-01-2020, 09:39 PM)Okeana Wrote: Good point how could I forget billings!

(01-01-2020, 09:50 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: I'd say maybe a little more for Dennard, maybe a little less for Eifert, but overall not bad estimates.

Now, if the Bengals front office is thinking along the same lines that you are?  Then they should be able to upgrade the roster by 3-6 players, depending on how big of a splash they make on "name brand" type of players.

(01-01-2020, 10:14 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I think we should sign Vigil to a 1 year deal as well. Once Brown was gone, he did improve. Makes me wonder if maybe Brown was causing issues with Vigil's play during his career.

(01-01-2020, 10:26 PM)Okeana Wrote: he still graded terribly this year all things considered.  if he does get resigned it won't be for much.

My #1 Free agent target is Corey Littleton, but you're looking at around 15m+ but we need a stud MLB who can set the standard for the team.    

(01-01-2020, 10:38 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Oh, we definitely need to sign a free agent LB.

The question is: ....Will we?


We definitely don't have a history of signing free agents that are actually any good (and have a competitive market around them).

Which is why I want to re-sign Vigil haha. I don't want to leave his roster spot to a rookie after we let him go and then not sign a significant free agent LB XD.

(01-01-2020, 10:39 PM)Synric Wrote: I would walk away from WJ3 before Dre Kirkpatrick. WJ3 has not been good since his rookie year and that year it was more great recovery than great play. Dre is the best corner on the team with Dennard a FA.

(01-01-2020, 10:11 PM)Okeana Wrote: forgot to take into account Billings so that's another 9m.  yeah each team also sets money aside for midseason pickups when players go on IR it doesn't drop their cap, so probably another 10m to over the season which leaves you with about 24 million.  This a big year for us to catch up on signing talent so I wouldn't expect a huge free agency.  Corners and Linebackers should be the biggest free agent moves.  Offensive lineman in the draft will help add depth to the line and hopefully a starter.  

We have some bright spots on the offensive line with Hopkins becoming a pretty damn good center and Fred Johnson looking really promising with 2 years left on his cheap contract.  We get Jonah Williams back next year and even if he doesn't pan out at tackle he graded high as a guard as well so fingers crossed we get some value out of him unlike price.   

(01-01-2020, 11:13 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Ok, $24M isn't going to do "earth shattering" additions like the Browns did last year, but that is certainly enough to get what the Bengals need, if spent correctly.  They could get two really good FAs with that money.  If they spent at you are estimating, $15M on a LB such as Corey Littleton, they could get a solid mid-tier OG for 5-7M, and still have a little change to pick up a low cost addition at another position.

(01-01-2020, 11:12 PM)Synric Wrote: Dre is a strong side corner he will see more targets and receptions than a weak side corner which effects his PFF grades.

WJ3 is up and down as a corner he gives up huge plays.  His first year play (my bad) he was better in recovery than actual technique (Matt Minch or John Sherran gives a great breakdown on CincyJungle if you can find it after 2017).

Dre troubles are more shedding blocks and making tackles than coverage. Which is proven by PFF saying he gave up 45% balls in his direction in 2018.

All in all the difference between the two is nil with Dre coming out on top. You are locking WJ3 up for multiple seasons for more money when you could walk away from him keep Dre sign Dennard and run Dre Phillips Dennard and you can walk away from Dre quicker and for less cap hit.

Dre Kirkpatrick allowed just 44.4% of the targets thrown his way to be caught - the 2nd-best rate in the league pic.twitter.com/2B5eDZoelg

— PFF (@PFF) May 31, 2019

Edit: Less dead cap hit.

(01-01-2020, 11:48 PM)Okeana Wrote: there are some truths to this, but ultimately wj3 has youth and a higher skill potential.  He just needs the right defensive schemes.  Btw he was targeted more than Dre in the last 2 years.

(01-02-2020, 12:20 AM)lone bengal Wrote: Nice job with the breakdowns. Outside of Hopkins who was already signed I don't feel like we have any must sign internal free agents.  If the price is right i'm fine with it. I'm personally not solid on resigning Eifert he's 30 years old, this is the first season he's played 16 games and he didn't put up crazy numbers 436 yards rec and 3 TD's. Plus we drafted Sample in the 2nd round if you draft a player in round 2 he should be a starter or else it was a bad pick. Hopefully we use some money to upgrade the O-line or linebacker.

(01-02-2020, 12:20 AM)lone bengal Wrote: Nice job with the breakdowns. Outside of Hopkins who was already signed I don't feel like we have any must sign internal free agents.  If the price is right i'm fine with it. I'm personally not solid on resigning Eifert he's 30 years old, this is the first season he's played 16 games and he didn't put up crazy numbers 436 yards rec and 3 TD's. Plus we drafted Sample in the 2nd round if you draft a player in round 2 he should be a starter or else it was a bad pick. Hopefully we use some money to upgrade the O-line or linebacker.