(01-22-2020, 11:33 AM)Okeana Wrote: Is it me or is Carlos Dunlap the real MVP of this team with his consistency year in and year out not to mention putting up his best season yet at the age of 30 years old.  I was watching one of those talking head shows yesterday talking about how there can be a case made that we should trade burrow and somehow get chase young and how this would improve the team.   One thing that stuck out to me was one of them saying that Chase Young is good but he has no one across from him.  I don't even think these guys know who plays for the teams before they talk out their ass.

(01-22-2020, 11:33 AM)Okeana Wrote: Is it me or is Carlos Dunlap the real MVP of this team with his consistency year in and year out not to mention putting up his best season yet at the age of 30 years old.  I was watching one of those talking head shows yesterday talking about how there can be a case made that we should trade burrow and somehow get chase young and how this would improve the team.   One thing that stuck out to me was one of them saying that Chase Young is good but he has no one across from him.  I don't even think these guys know who plays for the teams before they talk out their ass.

(01-22-2020, 11:54 AM)sandwedge Wrote: I'm a OSU homer big time and I gotta say I was highly disappointed in Young the last 3 games he played. He was so dominate and then it was like a switch went off and he didn't do shit. 

(01-22-2020, 11:33 AM)Okeana Wrote: Is it me or is Carlos Dunlap the real MVP of this team with his consistency year in and year out not to mention putting up his best season yet at the age of 30 years old. I was watching one of those talking head shows yesterday talking about how there can be a case made that we should trade burrow and somehow get chase young and how this would improve the team. One thing that stuck out to me was one of them saying that Chase Young is good but he has no one across from him. I don't even think these guys know who plays for the teams before they talk out their ass.

(01-22-2020, 12:17 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: 2015 was his best season, by far.

I will say though that this was his second best season and if he wasn't playing injured for 7 games, it had the potential to be his best year.

The guy is just a solid player and citizen; as Nicomo said, not only will he hold the sack record for a long time, but I think he'll be adding to it for another 5 years, unless he retires to become a full-out restaurateur.

(01-22-2020, 12:56 PM)Okeana Wrote: he had more sacks, but statistically 2019 was a better year

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/carlos-dunlap/5579?season=2019

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/carlos-dunlap/5579?season=2015

really I think it's kinda obtuse and a waste of time to argue minor details

I do think it's funny however that 2016 was statistically worse than this year yet he went to the probowl and meanwhile he performed better overall than geno atkins this year, but didn't get selected.  Obviously Geno deserves to go and he draws the most double teams so his stats won't be the best.

(01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Okeana Wrote: btw for those who are excited to see Chase Young in a thread. I just want to make it clear that under no circumstance am I saying I would take young over burrow and in fact, I think Young is very overrated. He will not be a Bosa on the next level and he's not a generational talent. He has major weaknesses in the run game and his technique is nothing special. He is a top tier prospect, but I think he will be an above-average player at best in the league.

But that's not really on point. The fact that Dunlap is completely overlooked is a crime

(01-22-2020, 01:10 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DunlCa99.htm

More:

- Sacks
- TFL (could have been equal this year, had he been healthy)
- (SIGNIFICANTLY) QB hits
- Fumble recoveries (and the one he did recover was arguably the best FF and recovery since 2000, for the Bengals)

Equal:

- Forced Fumbles

Less:

- Solo (by 2) and total tackles (by more than 2).
- PDs

Aside from PDs, which is one of his bread and butter stats, 2015 was the significantly better year.

We can agree to disagree, but he was much more productive and put up better numbers in 2015 and that's a fact (2015 is when PFF's grades started to turn to shit, so that's a no-go on the subjectivity).

Again, will give you that had he been healthy this year, it probably would've been MUCH better than his 2015; his sack numbers have always trended in the same direction (7.5, 8.0, High, 8.0, 7.5, 8.0, High). Hopefully the trend does not continue this year.

And he made the PB due to a weaker DE class and the fact that he had more PDs than 90% of CBs in the league.

(01-22-2020, 01:18 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Want to touch on this as well.

Since he came into the league (until 2015, before PFF changed their grades), Dunlap was ALWAYS in the top 3 LDE grade, on PFF, be it as a starter or backup.

His pressure numbers have always been top 5 (if not top 3) of ANY defender in the league and his TFL numbers are double digits, every year.

He leads in PDs since 2015 for all non-CBs (even more than Kuechly, the consensus best coverage LB in the league) and has been in coverage on RBs and TEs, holding his own (though he has been in coverage against some WRs for completely idiotic reasons and it has bitten them in the ass consistently).

The one thing that is always overlooked though, is his work in the run game; that's why his TFL numbers are always so high. He is simply the best run defending 4-3 DE in the league and I will fight that to the death.

Though his contact is up in 2 years (I think), I still see him signing one more 3 year deal before he's done.

bfine said back in 2010 that he was our best pick in the draft and the best value pick for the ENTIRE draft (after Geno, as time has told) ad truthfully, I think that still rings true in 2020.

(01-22-2020, 01:43 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I think we will see a great year from Carlos next year, if he and Hubbard stay healthy. As Sam gets better, he is becoming a monster, and with (and to an extent Lawson) on the other side and Geno in the middle, he should have a great season. Especially if we aren't playing from behind and the other team is having to pass to keep up....

(01-22-2020, 01:45 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: Seems like everyone on D had teething issues, then after the bye a light switch was flipped (really, after Brown was released).

Everyone played much better, so I see the line progressing well. Will need to add a player or two to the rotation, however.

(01-22-2020, 02:06 PM)J24 Wrote: Dunlap, Lawson, and Hubbard are three really good players and I think we're safe at Defensive End. In fact if Burrow wasn't an option I would take Simmons over Young for the #1 pick.

(01-22-2020, 11:33 AM)Okeana Wrote: Is it me or is Carlos Dunlap the real MVP of this team with his consistency year in and year out not to mention putting up his best season yet at the age of 30 years old.  I was watching one of those talking head shows yesterday talking about how there can be a case made that we should trade burrow and somehow get chase young and how this would improve the team.   One thing that stuck out to me was one of them saying that Chase Young is good but he has no one across from him.  I don't even think these guys know who plays for the teams before they talk out their ass.